Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc (2007)

[perl-2007]

Most contributors to comp.lang.perl.misc are helpful and share good
information. Unfortunately there are a few individuals who are
frequently rude and abusive. For their bad behavior they are hereby
named the Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc for 2007.

7. Jürgen Exner (e-mail address removed)
Generally okay but occasionally throws tantrums

6. Tad McClellan (e-mail address removed)
Never learned how to get along with others

5. Purl Gurl (e-mail address removed)
Nuff said!

4. A. Sinan Unur (e-mail address removed)
Luckily the a.sinine one has been absent for a while

3. Michele Dondi (e-mail address removed)
Surely one of the rudest Italians ever!

2. Uri Guttman (e-mail address removed)
Start using the Shift key, dumb ass. Quit hyping your pathetic
File::Slurp module so much. And cut out the whining!

And the stinkiest turd of all...

1. Sherm Pendley (e-mail address removed)
This arrogant asshole seems to think he has all the answers and is
consistently condescending and bullying. Undoubtedly one of the most
obnoxious posters in the history of the group.

 

[usenet]

For their bad behavior they are hereby
named the Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc for 2007.

Your list includes a troll (pg), which diminishes its credibility.

However, just out of curiosity, can you cite a single instance where
someone posted a message which conforms to the group's posting
guidelines and was treated rudely by anyone on your list (except the
troll)?

 

[Uri Guttman]

and when you contribute help here or on cpan and not anonymously, then
you might not be in all those killfiles. hope you like python cause you
ain't getting help here.

p> And the stinkiest turd of all...

you are surely that winner. take a bow.

uri

 

[grocery_stocker]

Most contributors to comp.lang.perl.misc are helpful and share good
information. Unfortunately there are a few individuals who are
frequently rude and abusive. For their bad behavior they are hereby
named the Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc for 2007.

7. Jürgen Exner (e-mail address removed)
Generally okay but occasionally throws tantrums

6. Tad McClellan (e-mail address removed)
Never learned how to get along with others

5. Purl Gurl (e-mail address removed)
Nuff said!

4. A. Sinan Unur (e-mail address removed)
Luckily the a.sinine one has been absent for a while

3. Michele Dondi (e-mail address removed)
Surely one of the rudest Italians ever!

2. Uri Guttman (e-mail address removed)
Start using the Shift key, dumb ass. Quit hyping your pathetic
File::Slurp module so much. And cut out the whining!

And the stinkiest turd of all...

1. Sherm Pendley (e-mail address removed)
This arrogant asshole seems to think he has all the answers and is
consistently condescending and bullying. Undoubtedly one of the most
obnoxious posters in the history of the group.

Thank you for lowering the standard on this group.

 

[grocery_stocker]

Most contributors to comp.lang.perl.misc are helpful and share good
information. Unfortunately there are a few individuals who are
frequently rude and abusive. For their bad behavior they are hereby
named the Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc for 2007.

7. Jürgen Exner (e-mail address removed)
Generally okay but occasionally throws tantrums

6. Tad McClellan (e-mail address removed)
Never learned how to get along with others

5. Purl Gurl (e-mail address removed)
Nuff said!

4. A. Sinan Unur (e-mail address removed)
Luckily the a.sinine one has been absent for a while

3. Michele Dondi (e-mail address removed)
Surely one of the rudest Italians ever!

2. Uri Guttman (e-mail address removed)
Start using the Shift key, dumb ass. Quit hyping your pathetic
File::Slurp module so much. And cut out the whining!

And the stinkiest turd of all...

1. Sherm Pendley (e-mail address removed)
This arrogant asshole seems to think he has all the answers and is
consistently condescending and bullying. Undoubtedly one of the most
obnoxious posters in the history of the group.

Thank you for lowering the standard.

 

[Tad McClellan]

Most contributors to comp.lang.perl.misc are helpful and share good
information.

And here is a list of some of them:

7. Jürgen Exner (e-mail address removed)

6. Tad McClellan (e-mail address removed)

4. A. Sinan Unur (e-mail address removed)

3. Michele Dondi (e-mail address removed)

2. Uri Guttman (e-mail address removed)

1. Sherm Pendley (e-mail address removed)

They all post using their real names.

What is your real name?

Or are you more cowardly than they?

 

[krakle]

They all post using their real names.

What is your real name?

Or are you more cowardly than they?

Or maybe he wishes to remain anonymous since this little thing called
the internet is an anonymous playhouse

 

[usenet]

Actually, no. I am still around

That's good to know! I was a neophyte when you were more active here,
and you taught me a lot. If you visit OSCON here in Portland, I owe
you a coffee/beer.

 

[Octo]

Most contributors to comp.lang.perl.misc are helpful and share good
information. Unfortunately there are a few individuals who are
frequently rude and abusive. For their bad behavior they are hereby
named the Top Turds of comp.lang.perl.misc for 2007.

7. Jürgen Exner (e-mail address removed)
Generally okay but occasionally throws tantrums

6. Tad McClellan (e-mail address removed)
Never learned how to get along with others

5. Purl Gurl (e-mail address removed)
Nuff said!

4. A. Sinan Unur (e-mail address removed)
Luckily the a.sinine one has been absent for a while

3. Michele Dondi (e-mail address removed)
Surely one of the rudest Italians ever!

2. Uri Guttman (e-mail address removed)
Start using the Shift key, dumb ass. Quit hyping your pathetic
File::Slurp module so much. And cut out the whining!

And the stinkiest turd of all...

1. Sherm Pendley (e-mail address removed)
This arrogant asshole seems to think he has all the answers and is
consistently condescending and bullying. Undoubtedly one of the most
obnoxious posters in the history of the group.

In my youth I often found myself working menial computer jobs, being a
data janitor essentially. In order to preserve my sanity and alleviate
the mind numbing tedium of such rock-breaking endeavours I would often
smoke pipes of cannabis in the toilets of these establishments. One
day I was preparing a sacrement from my last tiny blim and such was
the paltry amount of my stash that I fumbled it and dropped it down
the toilet into which I had just relieved myself (number ones only
fortunately). Well, you can imagine the agony of that moment. I
considered for several seconds before the overwhelming truth burst
into my mind: You know you're going to fish it out, and the process,
not to mention your blow, will become exponentially worse the longer
you wait. So it came to be that 5 seconds after the fumble my stash
was once again held in my hand, albeit a pissier hand than the one
with which I had entered the gents.

I suspect this experience precisely mirrors the sequence of emotions
felt by many people who endeavour to find help in this newsgroup.

Yours faithfully
Richard Gration

Yes, that's my real name. Even now I am joyfully warming my hands on
the blazing bridge fire behind me ...

 

[usenet]

My presumption is you insulting meatheads have not noticed this
discussion group is dying because of you childish troll boys.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl.misc/about?hl=en

Hmmm. So the total number of questions is declining. "Calls to the
helpdesk" are declining. The "helpdesk" must have been doing a good
job of educating the users. I've gotten a good education in this
group with expert advice promptly and freely offered. But I'm getting
better, so I need to ask fewer questions.

If problems were *increasing*, I'd be more concerned.

 

[Tad McClellan]

My presumption is you insulting meatheads have not noticed this
discussion group is dying because of you childish troll boys.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl.misc/about?hl=en

Quantity is not related to quality.

There are less posts because the meatheads have already answered
most of the questions.

And because they are so turdish, people hope to find their answer
via Google Groups so that they won't have to suffer the anguish
that comes with a fresh answer to their question.

The decline in traffic is due to greater overall efficiency!

 

[Jürgen Exner]

Perl isn't offered in the BSc/CS curriculum? That speaks loudly to
me. I tried to take a course in Perl at my local junior college, but
it's not offered.

You are offered courses in specific programming languages? What a concept is
that?

Learning algorithms is part of the curriculum, learning data structures is
part of the curriculum, learning fundamentals of programming language design
may be part of the curriculum. But not learning a specific language.

When I was at university we had to deliver our solutions in whatever
language the professor prescribed, but we had to learn those languages on
your own. If it was an unusual language then the professor might condescent
to present the language in one two-hour lecture or maybe offer a one
afternoon addon tutorial. But after that you were on your own.

jue

 

[grocery_stocker]

(e-mail address removed) scribed:

Do you have some kind of data to support this assertion?

Each programming language has it's own strengths and weaknesses. If I
feel perl is the right tool to solve the problem, I'll use it.

As a struggling Perl newbie, I derive little encouragement to pursue my
education from your statements. Perhaps it's time for me to go down a
different programming path while I'm still embryonic.

I'm even less encouraged when I read:



Perl isn't offered in the BSc/CS curriculum? That speaks loudly to me. I
tried to take a course in Perl at my local junior college, but it's not
offered.

Did schools like MIT or Stanford ever offer a "regular" course in
Perl? Please enlighten me on this because I never applied to either of
these schools.

Which brings me back on-topic. Many of the people who come to
comp.lang.perl.misc are people, like myself and 'The Count,' who are forced
to learn on our own. This newsgroup is chartered to be among our Internet
resources. I'm therefore struck with amazement when I read a group veteran's
response to a newbie's technical question and obvious Usenet-newbie request
that the answer be sent to him by email:

Forced to learn on our own? You don't learn because you love to learn?

How profoundly rude, indeed! Having lurked here for a couple of months, the
offensive response was expected from the NG regular. As are set of similar
comments, by many of the people in the OP's list. Look at the blatant
hypocrisy in the above. Does anyone really think that this type of response
provides assistance or fosters a desire to further participate in this
forum? Or, to learn and perpetuate this programming language?

Or, does it matter?

I forgot what else I was going to say.

Chad

 

[cartercc]

I spoke harshly. I may have had justification, or at least
provocation, and that may or may not excuse my harsh words. Please let
me temper what I said, as a former Perl newbie to a present Perl
newbie.

Programming languages, and all software (including OS's), are merely
tools. Use the best tool for the job. Personally, I believe that
everyone should be proficient in a scripting language and a system
language. People differ on what falls into what category, but for me,
I choose Perl for my scripting language and Java for my system
language. My present job requires a lot of heavy duty text and file
processing. IMO, Perl is THE BEST (!!!) tool for this. Java can't
touch it.

By the same token, if I have to build software that requires more than
about 50 LOC, I'll use Java. Java is an industrial strength tool
suitable for industrial programming, Perl isn't. Yeah, web pages,
database stuff, system administration, file manipulation, use Perl for
this -- you really can't beat it.

And ... if you look at these tasks ... they have been around for quite
a while, and despite what I said about Perl being so 80's, it's a
mature and well supported technology. You won't misspend your time
gaining proficiency in Perl.

CC

 

[Uri Guttman]

MD> 'How profoundly rude of you!' ne 'How profoundly rude you are!';

michele, please don't try to teach such good logical english! you don't
speak it natively!

MD> While I don't have the slightest idea of how you can claim that, I
MD> suppose you're right. In fact I *do* often need help. In
MD> particular, when I need help with Perl, this group is my preferred
MD> resource to search it. Actually I've learnt more from here about
MD> it than from anything else. Incidentally, I've never been told
MD> that I was being rude, by the regulars that is. I've never felt
MD> insulted or offended, by the regulars that is. YMMV. Indeed, it
MD> seems it *does*, for some reason that completely eludes my
MD> comprehension. I'm just sorry for you, because I consider myself
MD> lucky for having had the opportunity to receive help from this
MD> group.

ok, i will insult you gratuitously: you're just an italian perl hacker!!



uri

 

[Uri Guttman]

EJ> If bad programming makes a person a horrible person, I'm in much more
EJ> trouble than you are.

you don't get it. it isn't bad programming that makes one bad. it is
being a bad programmer who either doesn't know it (e.g. moronzilla) or
doesn't want to get better and try to learn from those who are good
programmers. and how do you judge the good coders? you look at a
community of them and see how they are ranked there. just like chess
ranking scores or scholarly published articles and who references them,
the perl community has coders of many skill ranges. most of the regulars
here or on other forums have proven their perl skills and knowledge and
earned their respect and ranking (regardless of their tone in most
cases). no one respects moronzilla is the point. you don't have the
skills to even judge that and you think we are crazy for denigrating its
skills.

EJ> I'm known for having a wonderful sense of humor. You ought to see my code.

coding isn't humorous. look at the lost mars probe due to a coding
error. funny, ha ha. want funny code in your medical equipment or
accurate code that was coded by a jerk you don't like? i know what i
will buy.

EJ> Again, don't be so fast feeling sorry for me. I too have had
EJ> tremendous luck in getting help resulting from my participation in
EJ> this NG, even as a lurker. As to my suggesting you were rude,
EJ> etc., on reflection, after reading some of today's nasty posts
EJ> your sarcasm probably triggered a proactive response. Sorry 'bout
EJ> that.

you used the word luck. that is the perfect choice for getting useful
help from moronzilla. even a broken clock is right twice a
day. moronzilla can answer some trivial questions correctly once in a
while. its lack of depth of understanding programming in general and
perl in specifics is astounding. ask i to analyze some algorithms
using O(N) notation. ask it how to write a protocol. ask it how to do
anything beyond kiddie text munging with substr. do you ever see it
involved in threads outside its little skill set? that is what you
should be looking at.

uri

 

[Jürgen Exner]

michele, please don't try to teach such good logical english! you
don't speak it natively!

Unfortunately my observation over the past 10+ years has been that all too
often non-native speakers care more about correct and logical use of the
language while native speakers often are quite sloppy. In particlar those
who grew up learning Americanese have a tendency to bastardize the English
language to a point where it is impossible to decode the intended meaning of
a sentence.

"England and America are two countries separated by a common language."

jue

 

[Tad McClellan]

I've never felt insulted or offended,
by the regulars that is.

Your feet stink!

 

[Uri Guttman]

EJ> I'm pretty sure I understand and appreciate where your hostility
EJ> is coming from. But, I'm confused why an intelligent guy like you
EJ> would allow someone you detest so and whose opinion you think so
EJ> lowly of to push your buttons. You ask her to analyze an
EJ> algorithm and she doesn't respond. Boom...you go ballistic and she
EJ> laughs and calls you names. I'm going to do you a favor and offer
EJ> you some assistance...read what I post below my signature and read
EJ> <http://www.edbjay.com/unskilled.pdf>. Hopefully, you too will get
EJ> it.

simple. i care about perl and having people learn perl well. it posts
stupid and wrong code and disparages the perl community with its
blatherings. i don't get my buttons pushed as much as stand up to it and
hopefully make sure others (like yourself) don't get suckered in by its
trolling. call it defense of this newsgroup against the forces of
moronic and delusional posters. sometimes it get dirty but the job has
to be done.

EJ> Ed Jay

EJ> There is immense wisdom in the old proverb, "He that is slow to
EJ> anger is better than the mighty." Hannah More said, "If I wished
EJ> to punish my enemy, I should make him hate somebody."

oh, i don't hate moronzilla. i hate what it stands for. i am appalled
that my chosen profession is so easy to enter with so little actual
skill. you wouldn't hire a doctor or lawyer with the level of skills you
see in newbies or moronzilla. and too many of them work and screw things
up and i am brought it to help clean up the mess. better to hire someone
who knows what they are doing to begin with than cheap kiddies who are
always over their heads. that is what i despise.

uri

 

[Charlton Wilbur]

EJ> As a struggling Perl newbie, I derive little encouragement to
EJ> pursue my education from your statements. Perhaps it's time
EJ> for me to go down a different programming path while I'm still
EJ> embryonic.

If you take Purl Gurl seriously, you ought to be encouraged to go down
a different career path altogether.

EJ> Perl isn't offered in the BSc/CS curriculum? That speaks
EJ> loudly to me. I tried to take a course in Perl at my local
EJ> junior college, but it's not offered.

That's because the educational curriculum focuses on tools that
attempt to inculcate good programming habits or that demonstrate
particular techniques. Perl does neither.

Your goal in acquiring an education (which is what a BS is) ought to
be to acquire a solid grounding in the theory underlying your
profession. If you want vocational training in particular languages
-- which is not what a BS is about -- there are a number of excellent
consultancies that will teach you, whether the language in question is
Perl or Java.

EJ> How profoundly rude, indeed! Having lurked here for a couple
EJ> of months, the offensive response was expected from the NG
EJ> regular. As are set of similar comments, by many of the people
EJ> in the OP's list. Look at the blatant hypocrisy in the
EJ> above. Does anyone really think that this type of response
EJ> provides assistance or fosters a desire to further participate
EJ> in this forum? Or, to learn and perpetuate this programming
EJ> language?

I recommend, first, that you pay attention to the Posting Guidelines,
and pay attention to how many people who follow the Posting Guidelines
get flamed and treated rudely compared to how many people who do not
follow them. There's a reason they exist.

I recommend, second, that if you intend to continue in any technical
field, that you develop the skill to learn by yourself by studying the
documentation. If you develop that skill, you are responsible for
your own success; if you fail to develop that skill, you make yourself
permanently dependent on the benevolence and donated time of others.
In situations where neither is available in sufficient quantity --
such as this newsgroup -- you lose out.

Charlton