[TRAC] WikiInclude on 0.11 - Noah Kantrowitz blocks bug-fix

Discussion in 'Perl Misc' started by Ilias Lazaridis, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Essence:

    * Deletion of valid defect reports on trac community resources

    The "WikiInclude" plugin is not recognised on trac 0.11, thus I took a
    look an made a small addition to the setup.py (the entry_point).

    Other users have the same problem, thus I filed a ticket in the "trac-
    hacks" community resource.

    Mr. Noah Kantrowitz closed the ticket as "invalid". My comments within
    this ticket are deleted, directly in the database, which is the same
    as censorship. I've copied the email-notification from my comment
    below. [1]

    Please realize:

    * this is a real-live defect, which remains unprocessed, thus more
    users run into this trouble.
    * My attemps to inform users in the user-threads do not show up in
    all threads (moderation on trac-users!!!)
    * The "IncludeMacro" is not compatible to the "WikiInclude" macro
    * My comments were deleted in a non-trackable way
    * Users of the WikiInclude plugin are not informed in any way

    You are may wondering why the trac project fails to produce a stable
    1.0 version since years. The answer is here:

    http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/TracAudit

    -

    [1]

    #2294: Plugin is not detectd on trac 0.11 (even the 0.11 specific one)
    --------------------------------
    +-------------------------------------------
    Reporter: | Owner: yu-ji
    Type: defect | Status: reopened
    Priority: normal | Component: WikiIncludePlugin
    Severity: critical | Resolution:
    Keywords: | Release: 0.11
    --------------------------------
    +-------------------------------------------
    Changes (by ):

    * status: closed => reopened
    * resolution: invalid =>
    * summary: Missing "entry_point" within setup.py => Plugin is not
    detectd on trac 0.11 (even the 0.11 specific
    one)

    Comment:

    (Mr. Kantrowitz. This is defenitely a defect, which occoured for
    several
    users. The provided information helps any user which hits on this
    ticket
    via a search. I ask you once more to stop with the deletions on this
    '''community''' resource).

    The resolution "invalid" is incorrect.

    The problem exists for me '''and other''' users, see e.g.:

    * [http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_frm/thread/
    de454e7dcf9f0438/d9806ad4a31a14a7 thread 1]
    * [http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_frm/thread/
    2ccf4b2855a6f242?q=WikiInclude& thread 2]

    I've solved it whilst simply adding the entry point to the setup.py.

    It is ok to point to the more flexible and maintained "IncludeMacro",
    but
    other people possibly just want to continue to use the simpler
    "WikiInclude" one.

    I suggest the maintainer of "WikiInclude" (or another developer)
    corrects
    the setup.py in the repo, and additionally one should place a note in
    the
    "WikiInclude" documentation, that there's a more flexible
    "IncludeMacro"
    available.
     
    Ilias Lazaridis, Dec 18, 2007
    #1
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  2. Re: WikiInclude on 0.11 - Noah Kantrowitz blocks bug-fix

    On Dec 18, 4:23 am, Ilias Lazaridis <> wrote:
    > Essence:
    >
    > * Deletion of valid defect reports on trac community resources


    UPDATE:

    Instead of fixing the "WikiInclude" in the repo (or at least leave the
    ticket open, thus a developer can do it), Mr. Noah Kantrowitz goes his
    very special way (hint: his nick "coderanger") to suggest to use the
    "IncludeMacro":

    "This plugin uses the older style trac_plugin.txt file. If you need
    something more 0.11 compatible, try the IncludeMacro."
    http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/2294#comment:1

    This is of course completely nonsense. I don't want to use the complex
    and buggy "IncludeMacro". The "WikiInclude" can be corrected with just
    one line.

    But ok, let's take a at Mr. Noah Kantrowitz creation, the
    "IncludeMacro". Does it work with 0.11? He does not know, thus he
    asks:

    "What about the current version doesn't work in 0.11?"
    http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/2310#comment:3

    who received this question? A user, which has provided a 0.11
    implementation of the plugin:

    "
    * summary changed from [patch] 0.11 patch to 0.11 version of
    IncludeMacro.

    Well, there's certainly no need to get snippy over semantics ;)

    There wasn't a version of IncludeMacro for 0.11, so I created one in
    the hopes that other Trac admins might find it useful -- humblest
    apologies for erroneously referring to my submission as a "patch".
    Having said that, if you feel so inclined as to review my version,
    then that would be superb, as I'm sure potential future users would
    feel much better if my contribution had your blessing and/or fixes.
    "
    http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/2310#comment:2

    Other tickets remain completely unprocessed, although they give an
    answer to his question "does it work on 0.11":

    "The macros.py of Includewikimacro contain : macro = WikiProcessor?
    (self.env, 'Include') for the rendering of the wiki page. Whereas now
    with the version 0.11, the function WikiProcessor?() nead a formatter
    as first argument and not anymore an environment."
    08/27/07 05:13:21 changed by sibok@tis***.fr
    http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/1973

    Mr. Noah Kantrowitz does not care about the trac users, otherwise he
    would update the svn of the WikiInclude macro and the documentation to
    inform users, instead of violently closing a valid ticket as an
    invalid one.

    A few more wild-west CODERANGERS like Noah Kantrowitz can ruine the
    already very slow progress of the trac-project completely.

    User comments and user feedback is critical for any open-source
    project. Engouraging contributions, instead of surpressing them is
    essential.

    Trac-Users, please do not accept such a surpressive behaviour - it
    costs your time.

    (btw: I am a 0.11dev user, see http://dev.lazaridis.com/base/wiki)

    ..

    > The "WikiInclude" plugin is not recognised on trac 0.11, thus I took a
    > look an made a small addition to the setup.py (the entry_point).
    >
    > Other users have the same problem, thus I filed a ticket in the "trac-
    > hacks" community resource.
    >
    > Mr. Noah Kantrowitz closed the ticket as "invalid". My comments within
    > this ticket are deleted, directly in the database, which is the same
    > as censorship. I've copied the email-notification from my comment
    > below. [1]
    >
    > Please realize:
    >
    > * this is a real-live defect, which remains unprocessed, thus more
    > users run into this trouble.
    > * My attemps to inform users in the user-threads do not show up in
    > all threads (moderation on trac-users!!!)
    > * The "IncludeMacro" is not compatible to the "WikiInclude" macro
    > * My comments were deleted in a non-trackable way
    > * Users of the WikiInclude plugin are not informed in any way
    >
    > You are may wondering why the trac project fails to produce a stable
    > 1.0 version since years. The answer is here:
    >
    > http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/TracAudit
    >
    > -
    >
    > [1]
    >
    > #2294: Plugin is not detectd on trac 0.11 (even the 0.11 specific one)
    > --------------------------------
    > +-------------------------------------------
    > Reporter: | Owner: yu-ji
    > Type: defect | Status: reopened
    > Priority: normal | Component: WikiIncludePlugin
    > Severity: critical | Resolution:
    > Keywords: | Release: 0.11
    > --------------------------------
    > +-------------------------------------------
    > Changes (by ):
    >
    > * status: closed => reopened
    > * resolution: invalid =>
    > * summary: Missing "entry_point" within setup.py => Plugin is not
    > detectd on trac 0.11 (even the 0.11 specific
    > one)
    >
    > Comment:
    >
    > (Mr. Kantrowitz. This is defenitely a defect, which occoured for
    > several
    > users. The provided information helps any user which hits on this
    > ticket
    > via a search. I ask you once more to stop with the deletions on this
    > '''community''' resource).
    >
    > The resolution "invalid" is incorrect.
    >
    > The problem exists for me '''and other''' users, see e.g.:
    >
    > * [http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_frm/thread/
    > de454e7dcf9f0438/d9806ad4a31a14a7 thread 1]
    > * [http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_frm/thread/
    > 2ccf4b2855a6f242?q=WikiInclude& thread 2]
    >
    > I've solved it whilst simply adding the entry point to the setup.py.
    >
    > It is ok to point to the more flexible and maintained "IncludeMacro",
    > but
    > other people possibly just want to continue to use the simpler
    > "WikiInclude" one.
    >
    > I suggest the maintainer of "WikiInclude" (or another developer)
    > corrects
    > the setup.py in the repo, and additionally one should place a note in
    > the
    > "WikiInclude" documentation, that there's a more flexible
    > "IncludeMacro"
    > available.
     
    Ilias Lazaridis, Dec 18, 2007
    #2
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