two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

Discussion in 'HTML' started by shajnday, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. shajnday

    shajnday Guest

    1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    positioned text and images all over it,
    the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    the front page. This linked images than are leading on to big real
    images-pictures.

    The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    depending on the server limited speed.

    2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    animated gif to animates constantly ?

    Thanks.
    That would be it, This is it!
    Thanks Michael!
     
    shajnday, Aug 4, 2010
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  2. shajnday

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <
    m>,
    shajnday <> wrote:

    > 1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    > positioned text and images all over it,
    > the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    > very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    > the front page. This linked images than are leading on to big real
    > images-pictures.
    >
    > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > depending on the server limited speed.
    >


    Can't help with this much except to say a background image should
    be very modest in size. And should in general be an extra to the
    content (which matter then is subject to the argument that
    content is king and therefore content should have priority). How
    big is it in file size?

    > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > animated gif to animates constantly ?
    >


    There is nothing you can do about animation looping if the user
    has set his or her browser to stop after x number of loops (I
    have a browser to stop them after 3 loops, they drive people
    crazy. Consider it a plus rather than a negative that it
    happens). The other thing I might mention is this. When you
    prepare and save an animated gif, you can control the number of
    loops and then that sets an upper limit, no browser can overcome
    this.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 4, 2010
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  3. shajnday

    Andy Guest

    "shajnday" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > 1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    > positioned text and images all over it,
    > the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    > very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    > the front page. This linked images than are leading on to big real
    > images-pictures.
    >
    > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > depending on the server limited speed.
    >
    > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > animated gif to animates constantly ?
    >
    > Thanks.
    > That would be it, This is it!
    > Thanks Michael!
    >
    >
    >



    Hi,

    Here are my suggestions...

    1: You could use the following script early in the source code to load your
    background images first...

    <script type="text/javascript">
    <!-- PRELOAD CELL IMAGES
    Image1= new Image(100,100);
    Image1.src = "../images/website/cellbg.png";
    Image2 = new Image(20,20);
    Image2.src = "../images/website/celltl.png";
    Image3 = new Image(20,20);
    Image3.src = "../images/website/celltr.png";
    Image4 = new Image(20,20);
    Image4.src = "../images/website/cellbl.png";
    Image5 = new Image(20,20);
    Image5.src = "../images/website/cellbr.png";
    // - End of JavaScript - -->
    </script>

    .... the above example comes from my site and does work. The (100,100) or
    (20,20) refers to the image dimensions.

    Also, as a bonus tip you could take a look at your background image and
    figure out the predominant colour and have the background instantly filled
    with this colour until the real background image has loaded...

    body.content { background: #426384 url(images/website/background.gif)
    fixed; }

    .... the above example would go in your stylesheet or on page style
    declaration and would make the background blue until background.gif had
    loaded.


    2: This is purely a hunch but I've done some animated gifs myself and the
    editor I use, Jasc Animation Shop, and the previous one I used, GifAnim,
    both had the option of specifying how many times to loop the anim. Both
    programs had 0 to 99 times or infinite loops. My hunch is that when your
    gif-anim was saved the author specified 99 times thinking that the user
    would prob move onto a different page before the 99 loops where up.

    The solution would be to load said gif-anim into one of these programs and
    resave with the infinite loop box checked.


    Hope this helps

    Andy
     
    Andy, Aug 4, 2010
    #3
  4. shajnday

    shajnday Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    On 4 kol, 12:35, dorayme <> wrote:
    > In article
    > <
    > m>,
    >
    >  shajnday <> wrote:
    > > 1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    > > positioned text and images all over it,
    > > the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    > > very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    > > the front page.  This linked images than are leading on to big real
    > > images-pictures.

    >
    > > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > > depending on the server limited speed.

    >
    > Can't help with this much except to say a background image should
    > be very modest in size. And should in general be an extra to the
    > content (which matter then is subject to the argument that
    > content is king and therefore content should have priority). How
    > big is it in file size?



    52.8KB .jpg

    i forgot to mention that it isn't so big.
    Yeah, i do understand that more advanced methods of designing web
    sites is content pages with or without background, and not old-fashion
    eb sites wich are on slow hosting providers. It's just an
    presentation site which i'm using for real life purpose. Not making
    money over web sites, for now, or i do...
    nevermind, content is the king but then i do like old-fashion sites in
    a way. This somehow collaborated together(getting slow providing host)
    as i do not like spending too much of time on the internet, nor i
    would like my kids do that.



    >
    > > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > > animated gif to animates constantly ?

    >
    > There is nothing you can do about animation looping if the user
    > has set his or her browser to stop after x number of loops (I
    > have a browser to stop them after 3 loops, they drive people
    > crazy. Consider it a plus rather than a negative that it
    > happens). The other thing I might mention is this. When you
    > prepare and save an animated gif, you can control the number of
    > loops and then that sets an upper limit, no browser can overcome
    > this.
    >
    > --
    > dorayme


    Didn't get this last paragraph, i do know for functions consisting
    loops;
    <marquee loop="infinite"
    behavior="scroll"
    etc.

    did you had that in mind or something like ?
     
    shajnday, Aug 4, 2010
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  5. shajnday

    shajnday Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    On 4 kol, 12:53, "Andy" <> wrote:
    > "shajnday" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > 1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    > > positioned text and images all over it,
    > > the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    > > very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    > > the front page.  This linked images than are leading on to big real
    > > images-pictures.

    >
    > > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > > depending on the server limited speed.

    >
    > > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > > animated gif to animates constantly ?

    >
    > > Thanks.
    > > That would be it, This is it!
    > > Thanks Michael!

    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > Here are my suggestions...
    >
    > 1: You could use the following script early in the source code to load your
    > background images first...
    >
    > <script type="text/javascript">
    > <!-- PRELOAD CELL IMAGES
    > Image1= new Image(100,100);
    > Image1.src = "../images/website/cellbg.png";
    > Image2 = new Image(20,20);
    > Image2.src = "../images/website/celltl.png";
    > Image3 = new Image(20,20);
    > Image3.src = "../images/website/celltr.png";
    > Image4 = new Image(20,20);
    > Image4.src = "../images/website/cellbl.png";
    > Image5 = new Image(20,20);
    > Image5.src = "../images/website/cellbr.png";
    > // - End of JavaScript - -->
    > </script>
    >
    > ... the above example comes from my site and does work. The (100,100) or
    > (20,20) refers to the image dimensions.
    >
    > Also, as a bonus tip you could take a look at your background image and
    > figure out the predominant colour and have the background instantly filled
    > with this colour until the real background image has loaded...
    >
    > body.content { background: #426384 url(images/website/background.gif)
    > fixed; }



    Thanks Andy,
    i already have put the image color to same color (me brighty!)
    Thanks for the tip though.
    I'll try the script today and let'you know about improvings.

    What would or would not the function " fixed; " do to the background
    considering the situation that it is already fixed saying naturally
    fixed...?


    >
    > ... the above example would go in your stylesheet or on page style
    > declaration and would make the background blue until background.gif had
    > loaded.
    >
    > 2: This is purely a hunch but I've done some animated gifs myself and the
    > editor I use, Jasc Animation Shop, and the previous one I used, GifAnim,
    > both had the option of specifying how many times to loop the anim. Both
    > programs had 0 to 99 times or infinite loops. My hunch is that when your
    > gif-anim was saved the author specified 99 times thinking that the user
    > would prob move onto a different page before the 99 loops where up.
    >
    > The solution would be to load said gif-anim into one of these programs and
    > resave with the infinite loop box checked.
    >
    > Hope this helps
    >
    > Andy- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >
    > - Prikaži citirani tekst -



    thanks alot.
     
    shajnday, Aug 4, 2010
    #5
  6. shajnday

    Andy Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    "shajnday" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 4 kol, 12:53, "Andy" <> wrote:
    >> "shajnday" <> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> > 1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    >> > positioned text and images all over it,
    >> > the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    >> > very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    >> > the front page. This linked images than are leading on to big real
    >> > images-pictures.

    >>
    >> > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    >> > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    >> > depending on the server limited speed.

    >>
    >> > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    >> > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    >> > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    >> > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    >> > animated gif to animates constantly ?

    >>
    >> > Thanks.
    >> > That would be it, This is it!
    >> > Thanks Michael!

    >>
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> Here are my suggestions...
    >>
    >> 1: You could use the following script early in the source code to load
    >> your
    >> background images first...
    >>
    >> <script type="text/javascript">
    >> <!-- PRELOAD CELL IMAGES
    >> Image1= new Image(100,100);
    >> Image1.src = "../images/website/cellbg.png";
    >> Image2 = new Image(20,20);
    >> Image2.src = "../images/website/celltl.png";
    >> Image3 = new Image(20,20);
    >> Image3.src = "../images/website/celltr.png";
    >> Image4 = new Image(20,20);
    >> Image4.src = "../images/website/cellbl.png";
    >> Image5 = new Image(20,20);
    >> Image5.src = "../images/website/cellbr.png";
    >> // - End of JavaScript - -->
    >> </script>
    >>
    >> ... the above example comes from my site and does work. The (100,100) or
    >> (20,20) refers to the image dimensions.
    >>
    >> Also, as a bonus tip you could take a look at your background image and
    >> figure out the predominant colour and have the background instantly
    >> filled
    >> with this colour until the real background image has loaded...
    >>
    >> body.content { background: #426384 url(images/website/background.gif)
    >> fixed; }

    >
    >
    > Thanks Andy,
    > i already have put the image color to same color (me brighty!)
    > Thanks for the tip though.
    > I'll try the script today and let'you know about improvings.
    >




    If the net-nannies moan that the above suggestion will only work for the
    99.9% of users with javascript enabled, you could try this alternative...

    In your stylesheet (or on page style declaration) add the following...

    ..preloadimage {display: none; }

    .... Then in the <body> (asap) add something like this...

    <img src="images/background.jpg" class="preloadimage">






    > What would or would not the function " fixed; " do to the background
    > considering the situation that it is already fixed saying naturally
    > fixed...?
    >
    >



    On my particular site, the fixed parameter sticks the background image in
    place so that content scrolls over it rather than the content AND background
    scrolling.



    >>
    >> ... the above example would go in your stylesheet or on page style
    >> declaration and would make the background blue until background.gif had
    >> loaded.
    >>
    >> 2: This is purely a hunch but I've done some animated gifs myself and the
    >> editor I use, Jasc Animation Shop, and the previous one I used, GifAnim,
    >> both had the option of specifying how many times to loop the anim. Both
    >> programs had 0 to 99 times or infinite loops. My hunch is that when your
    >> gif-anim was saved the author specified 99 times thinking that the user
    >> would prob move onto a different page before the 99 loops where up.
    >>
    >> The solution would be to load said gif-anim into one of these programs
    >> and
    >> resave with the infinite loop box checked.
    >>
    >> Hope this helps
    >>
    >> Andy- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >>
    >> - Prikaži citirani tekst -

    >
    >
    > thanks alot.
    >
    >


    You're welcome
     
    Andy, Aug 4, 2010
    #6
  7. shajnday

    dorayme Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    In article
    <
    m>,
    shajnday <> wrote:

    > On 4 kol, 12:35, dorayme <> wrote:
    > > In article
    > > <
    > > m>,
    > >
    > >  shajnday <> wrote:
    > > > 1.)i had put an img as a background image ...
    > > > hosting is very slow so images load
    > > > very slow. ...

    > >
    > > > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > > > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > > > depending on the server limited speed.

    > >
    > > Can't help with this much except to say a background image should
    > > be very modest in size. And should in general be an extra to the
    > > content (which matter then is subject to the argument that
    > > content is king and therefore should have priority). How
    > > big is it in file size?

    >
    >
    > 52.8KB .jpg
    >

    ....

    Not huge I guess (bigger than I have ever used, I think). You
    mentioned many other images too (not background). Perhaps your
    content is too slow loading rather than the background image
    appearing too late. In other words maybe you might get the rest
    to load faster by reducing the file sizes of the things that are
    delaying the background from loading.

    If the server is slow somehow or someone with a slow internet
    connection is confronted with your page, be sure that it would be
    *less frustrating* for the bg image to be delayed rather than the
    content. If you employ tricks to get the background img loading
    first that will delay (of course!) the rest.

    Perhaps you might give a url where the html can be seen by us?
    >
    >
    > >
    > > > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > > > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > > > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > > > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > > > animated gif to animates constantly ?

    > >
    > > There is nothing you can do about animation looping if the user
    > > has set his or her browser to stop after x number of loops (I
    > > have a browser to stop them after 3 loops, they drive people
    > > crazy. Consider it a plus rather than a negative that it
    > > happens). The other thing I might mention is this. When you
    > > prepare and save an animated gif, you can control the number of
    > > loops and then that sets an upper limit, no browser can overcome
    > > this.
    > >

    ....
    >
    > Didn't get this last paragraph, i do know for functions consisting
    > loops;
    > <marquee loop="infinite"
    > behavior="scroll"
    > etc.
    >
    > did you had that in mind or something like ?


    No. There are two reasons why an animated gif will stop looping
    in a browser:

    1. The gif was made to stop after a set number of loops. The
    maker can control this. Think of it as the gif maker putting a
    little invisible intangible ex traffic cop in with the gif who is
    ordered to stop it after a set number of loops.

    2. The user has a browser that has a preference or option to stop
    it after a user set number of loops. The reason browser makers
    put in this option is because they were required to by law. There
    were too many people going crazy suffering endless looping
    animations, some of them tripped into homicidal rages, taking
    machine guns into shopping centres etc...

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 4, 2010
    #7
  8. shajnday

    shajnday Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    On 5 kol, 00:59, dorayme <> wrote:
    > In article
    > <
    > m>,
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >  shajnday <> wrote:
    > > On 4 kol, 12:35, dorayme <> wrote:
    > > > In article
    > > > <
    > > > m>,

    >
    > > >  shajnday <> wrote:
    > > > > 1.)i had put an img as a background image ...
    > > > > hosting is very slow so images load
    > > > > very slow. ...

    >
    > > > > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > > > > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > > > > depending on the server limited speed.

    >
    > > > Can't help with this much except to say a background image should
    > > > be very modest in size. And should in general be an extra to the
    > > > content (which matter then is subject to the argument that
    > > > content is king and therefore should have priority). How
    > > > big is it in file size?

    >
    > > 52.8KB .jpg

    >
    > ...
    >
    > Not huge I guess (bigger than I have ever used, I think). You
    > mentioned many other images too (not background). Perhaps your
    > content is too slow loading rather than the background image
    > appearing too late. In other words maybe you might get the rest
    > to load faster by reducing the file sizes of the things that are
    > delaying the background from loading.
    >
    > If the server is slow somehow or someone with a slow internet
    > connection is confronted with your page, be sure that it would be
    > *less frustrating* for the bg image to be delayed rather than the
    > content. If you employ tricks to get the background img loading
    > first that will delay (of course!) the rest.
    >
    > Perhaps you might give a url where the html can be seen by us?  
    >
    >
    >


    MAybe you are right, i'll have to make a testing which is less
    frustrating, for now it looks like it hangs abit, but it's not too
    long.
    The background image i find appropriate and it is somehow deserving to
    preload sooner as it gives a cheerly vision on the further content.
    It is like a frame for the rest of the content.
    pay me and i'll give you a look ! :)
    1$

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > > > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > > > > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > > > > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > > > > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > > > > animated gif to animates constantly ?

    >
    > > > There is nothing you can do about animation looping if the user
    > > > has set his or her browser to stop after x number of loops (I
    > > > have a browser to stop them after 3 loops, they drive people
    > > > crazy. Consider it a plus rather than a negative that it
    > > > happens). The other thing I might mention is this. When you
    > > > prepare and save an animated gif, you can control the number of
    > > > loops and then that sets an upper limit, no browser can overcome
    > > > this.

    >
    > ...


    WOW http://www.idocs.com/tags/images/_IMG_LOOP.html

    LOOP=infinite really is a buzz buzz buzz,

    ha, a loop otpion isn't so important relating to content, i.e. when
    discussing some presentation page,
    and moreover, the image automatically regenerate when a user goes on
    to another page, and so on...adding loop could maybe be interesting if
    someone is sitting by the content a longer time, so then i could put a
    loop=infinite or loop=33 on example.

    perhaps it's a plus.
    These browsers with every day a new versions i personally think it's a
    waste, i stayed on IE 6.0 for simplicity and nice "user friendly"
    outfit, these bubble-trouble browsers which are in the foot with the
    industry changes are for myself not a good solutions.

    i think i'll resave the animated gif in one of the programs Andy
    suggested to give it a try....



    >
    > > Didn't get this last paragraph, i do know for functions consisting
    > > loops;
    > > <marquee loop="infinite"
    > >                                                                behavior="scroll"
    > > etc.

    >
    > > did you had that in mind or something like ?

    >
    > No. There are two reasons why an animated gif will stop looping
    > in a browser:
    >
    > 1. The gif was made to stop after a set number of loops. The
    > maker can control this. Think of it as the gif maker putting a
    > little invisible intangible ex traffic cop in with the gif who is
    > ordered to stop it after a set number of loops.
    >
    > 2. The user has a browser that has a preference or option to stop
    > it after a user set number of loops. The reason browser makers
    > put in this option is because they were required to by law. There
    > were too many people going crazy suffering endless looping
    > animations, some of them tripped into homicidal rages, taking
    > machine guns into shopping centres etc...
    >
    > --
    > dorayme- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >
    > - Prikaži citirani tekst -- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >
    > - Prikaži citirani tekst -




    I'll write you soon with the changes i have made, on tommorow evening.
    Today we celebrate the "Oluja"(one of the most important actions for
    freeing Croatia homeland from armed spooky Äetnjiks, "serbs" in
    deslusions) it's a non-working day, for workers,not for me =)

    Thanks, much appreciated!
     
    shajnday, Aug 5, 2010
    #8
  9. shajnday

    shajnday Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    On 4 kol, 16:48, "Andy" <> wrote:
    > "shajnday" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On 4 kol, 12:53, "Andy" <> wrote:
    > >> "shajnday" <> wrote in message

    >
    > >>news:....

    >
    > >> > 1.)i had put an img as a background image and have aligned and
    > >> > positioned text and images all over it,
    > >> > the server on which the site is hosting is very slow so images load
    > >> > very slow. I have about 10images which i have reduced in size 10x on
    > >> > the front page.  This linked images than are leading on to big real
    > >> > images-pictures.

    >
    > >> > The question is, how to make background image to load-preload as the
    > >> > first no1. img? and then the rest of images will load naturally
    > >> > depending on the server limited speed.

    >
    > >> > 2.) i also have animated .gif on another site which web-adress some of
    > >> > guys got on their e-mail, the problem is that this animated gif is
    > >> > working but after some time being on the page it stops animating.
    > >> > What html working could i apply or java or something else for this
    > >> > animated gif to animates constantly ?

    >
    > >> > Thanks.
    > >> > That would be it, This is it!
    > >> > Thanks Michael!

    >
    > >> Hi,

    >
    > >> Here are my suggestions...

    >
    > >> 1: You could use the following script early in the source code to load
    > >> your
    > >> background images first...

    >
    > >> <script type="text/javascript">
    > >> <!-- PRELOAD CELL IMAGES
    > >> Image1= new Image(100,100);
    > >> Image1.src = "../images/website/cellbg.png";
    > >> Image2 = new Image(20,20);
    > >> Image2.src = "../images/website/celltl.png";
    > >> Image3 = new Image(20,20);
    > >> Image3.src = "../images/website/celltr.png";
    > >> Image4 = new Image(20,20);
    > >> Image4.src = "../images/website/cellbl.png";
    > >> Image5 = new Image(20,20);
    > >> Image5.src = "../images/website/cellbr.png";
    > >> // - End of JavaScript - -->
    > >> </script>

    >
    > >> ... the above example comes from my site and does work. The (100,100) or
    > >> (20,20) refers to the image dimensions.

    >
    > >> Also, as a bonus tip you could take a look at your background image and
    > >> figure out the predominant colour and have the background instantly
    > >> filled
    > >> with this colour until the real background image has loaded...

    >
    > >> body.content { background: #426384 url(images/website/background.gif)
    > >> fixed; }

    >
    > > Thanks Andy,
    > > i already have put the image color to same color (me brighty!)
    > > Thanks for the tip though.
    > > I'll try the script today and let'you know about improvings.

    >
    > If the net-nannies moan that the above suggestion will only work for the
    > 99.9% of users with javascript enabled, you could try this alternative...
    >
    > In your stylesheet (or on page style declaration) add the following...
    >
    > .preloadimage {display: none; }
    >
    > ... Then in the <body> (asap) add something like this...
    >
    > <img src="images/background.jpg" class="preloadimage">
    >
    > > What would or would not the function "  fixed; " do to the background
    > > considering the situation that it is already fixed saying naturally
    > > fixed...?

    >
    > On my particular site, the fixed parameter sticks the background image in
    > place so that content scrolls over it rather than the content AND background
    > scrolling.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >> ... the above example would go in your stylesheet or on page style
    > >> declaration and would make the background blue until background.gif had
    > >> loaded.

    >
    > >> 2: This is purely a hunch but I've done some animated gifs myself and the
    > >> editor I use, Jasc Animation Shop, and the previous one I used, GifAnim,
    > >> both had the option of specifying how many times to loop the anim. Both
    > >> programs had 0 to 99 times or infinite loops. My hunch is that when your
    > >> gif-anim was saved the author specified 99 times thinking that the user
    > >> would prob move onto a different page before the 99 loops where up.

    >
    > >> The solution would be to load said gif-anim into one of these programs
    > >> and
    > >> resave with the infinite loop box checked.

    >
    > >> Hope this helps

    >
    > >> Andy- Sakrij citirani tekst -

    >
    > >> - Prikaži citirani tekst -

    >
    > > thanks alot.

    >
    > You're welcome- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >
    > - Prikaži citirani tekst -- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >
    > - Prikaži citirani tekst -


    this another option seems braver, and i would like to test it but i
    have a dns problem occured at hosting provider(serer names havne't
    been directed but yesterday they were...nevermind),
    i have done the html checkup and sucessfully got validated on all
    pages.

    The .css options for .preload {display: none } seems quite a better
    option, i'll try it tommorow after calling my DNS service and telling
    about servers problem, i'll post the testings tommorow in evening.

    Thanks Andy!
     
    shajnday, Aug 5, 2010
    #9
  10. shajnday

    dorayme Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    In article <>,
    "Richard Cornford" <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    > <snip>
    > > No. There are two reasons why an animated gif will stop
    > > looping in a browser:
    > >
    > > 1. The gif was made to stop after a set number of loops.
    > > The maker can control this.
    > >
    > > 2. The user has a browser that has a preference or option
    > > to stop it after a user set number of loops.

    >
    > There is at least one other reason why animated gifs will stop
    > animating, and that is in older IE browsers (IE 6 certainly) where any
    > execution of a javascript pseudo-protocol HREF will put the browser into
    > an 'about to navigate' state in which it stops bothering to animate
    > gifs, load new resources (for things such as image swapping), etc. See:-
    >
    > <URL: http://jibbering.com/faq/#javascriptURI >
    >


    I never think of animated gifs as having anything essentially to
    do with javascript. But maybe I should begin to. I know moving
    pics are javascript possible.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 5, 2010
    #10
  11. shajnday

    dorayme Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    In article
    <
    m>,
    shajnday <> wrote:

    > LOOP=infinite really is a buzz buzz buzz,
    >



    It will make the likes of me buzz off quick! <g>

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 5, 2010
    #11
  12. shajnday

    dorayme Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    In article
    <
    m>,
    shajnday <> wrote:

    > http://www.idocs.com/tags/images/_IMG_LOOP.html


    Last time I made an animated gif, I used

    <div><img src="some.gif" alt=""></div>

    but made the animation to loop once as part of it rather than
    relying on browsers to use attributes that may not be valid or
    even work. I recommend this to you.

    Here is an example of an animation that is under user control:

    <http://netweaver.com.au/floatHouse/anim/page4anim.php>

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 5, 2010
    #12
  13. shajnday

    Peter Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    In article <>,
    says...
    > In article
    > <
    > m>,
    > shajnday <> wrote:
    >
    > > http://www.idocs.com/tags/images/_IMG_LOOP.html

    >
    > Last time I made an animated gif, I used
    >
    > <div><img src="some.gif" alt=""></div>
    >
    > but made the animation to loop once as part of it rather than
    > relying on browsers to use attributes that may not be valid or
    > even work. I recommend this to you.
    >
    > Here is an example of an animation that is under user control:
    >
    > <http://netweaver.com.au/floatHouse/anim/page4anim.php>
    >
    >

    Not sure I understand what you mean by 'under user control'. Is that
    control by the person who created the gif, or control by the person who
    is viewing the gif in their browser?

    The only control I have, as far as I can tell, is being able to stop the
    animation before it finishes.

    --
    Pete Ives
    Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email
     
    Peter, Aug 5, 2010
    #13
  14. shajnday

    dorayme Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    In article <>,
    Peter <> wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > says...
    > > In article
    > > <
    > > m>,
    > > shajnday <> wrote:
    > >
    > > > http://www.idocs.com/tags/images/_IMG_LOOP.html

    > >
    > > Last time I made an animated gif, I used
    > >
    > > <div><img src="some.gif" alt=""></div>
    > >
    > > but made the animation to loop once as part of it rather than
    > > relying on browsers to use attributes that may not be valid or
    > > even work. I recommend this to you.
    > >
    > > Here is an example of an animation that is under user control:
    > >
    > > <http://netweaver.com.au/floatHouse/anim/page4anim.php>
    > >
    > >

    > Not sure I understand what you mean by 'under user control'. Is that
    > control by the person who created the gif, or control by the person who
    > is viewing the gif in their browser?
    >

    Generally when I use "user" at least, it means the website
    visitor. Other bods are the author of the webpage and the maker
    of the gif (the latter two may be one and the same person).

    [A bod is some or any*body*, generally a bit human (but ETs might
    qualify. It depends. I qualify and so does Luigi (R.I.P.)]

    > The only control I have, as far as I can tell, is being able to stop the
    > animation before it finishes.


    There are all sorts of things under your control as a user that
    are distinct from anything I as a page maker and gif maker have
    under my control.

    In building the gif, I can make it so it runs a set number of
    times *if the user allows it*. There are parameters for this in
    gif building algorithms.

    As a page maker I can do this *maybe* via loop attributes in the
    img elements (but that is not anything I can be bothered to
    research, I suspect it very last century and against the
    separation of style from content).

    Your control is different. You own the browser and can set
    options/preferences. You can make animations not play at all, you
    can let them play once and not more, you can let them play any
    number of times you want (up to the limit built into them by the
    creator). At least in some good browsers you can.

    You can also stop them. You can see them as you please as many
    times as you like by refreshing your browser if the author or gif
    maker has set only once. As in the above example.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Aug 5, 2010
    #14
  15. shajnday

    shajnday Guest

    Re: two issues more to go 1)background img 2.) animated .gif ...

    On 5 kol, 13:35, dorayme <> wrote:
    > In article <>,
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >  Peter <> wrote:
    > > In article <>,
    > > says...
    > > > In article
    > > > <
    > > > m>,
    > > >  shajnday <> wrote:

    >
    > > > >http://www.idocs.com/tags/images/_IMG_LOOP.html

    >
    > > > Last time I made an animated gif, I used

    >
    > > > <div><img src="some.gif" alt=""></div>

    >
    > > > but made the animation to loop once as part of it rather than
    > > > relying on browsers to use attributes that may not be valid or
    > > > even work. I recommend this to you.

    >
    > > > Here is an example of an animation that is under user control:

    >
    > > > <http://netweaver.com.au/floatHouse/anim/page4anim.php>

    >
    > > Not sure I understand what you mean by 'under user control'. Is that
    > > control by the person who created the gif, or control by the person who
    > > is viewing the gif in their browser?

    >
    > Generally when I use "user" at least, it means the website
    > visitor. Other bods are the author of the webpage and the maker
    > of the gif (the latter two may be one and the same person).
    >
    > [A bod is some or any*body*, generally a bit human (but ETs might
    > qualify. It depends. I qualify and so does Luigi (R.I.P.)]
    >
    > > The only control I have, as far as I can tell, is being able to stop the
    > > animation before it finishes.

    >
    > There are all sorts of things under your control as a user that
    > are distinct from anything I as a page maker and gif maker have
    > under my control.
    >
    > In building the gif, I can make it so it runs a set number of
    > times *if the user allows it*. There are parameters for this in
    > gif building algorithms.
    >
    > As a page maker I can do this *maybe* via loop attributes in the
    > img elements (but that is not anything I can be bothered to
    > research, I suspect it very last century and against the
    > separation of style from content).
    >
    > Your control is different. You own the browser and can set
    > options/preferences. You can make animations not play at all, you
    > can let them play once and not more, you can let them play any
    > number of times you want (up to the limit built into them by the
    > creator). At least in some good browsers you can.
    >
    > You can also stop them. You can see them as you please as many
    > times as you like by refreshing your browser if the author or gif
    > maker has set only once. As in the above example.
    >
    > --
    > dorayme- Sakrij citirani tekst -
    >
    > - Prikaži citirani tekst -


    HI all!
    A have solved most the problems.
    The display: none; for background is not working, it preloads the
    background but then other content isn't seeable. The other option with
    javascript for now haven't tried...with css display: none; it looks
    like the background is in the front(maybe to say z-indexed for front).

    But nevermind, the server was craked down as some harddisks were
    failing so they swapped them and now the difference in speed is
    noticeable.


    On the other webpage as i have validated conent, seems i no longer
    have a problem with showing imgs in IE6.0.


    thanks.
    c.
     
    shajnday, Aug 7, 2010
    #15
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