Usability Job Opportunities

[Dick Gaughan]

In <[email protected]> on Thu, 03 Jan

The Breidbart Index is woefully out of date.

When was that decided? I must have missed that debate.

In a.w.w, ads of any kind are considered SPAM.

What aww might or might not consider is about as relevant outside
aww as a spider's fart. I'm not reading this thread in aww.

The BI was adopted as a way of avoiding would-be Usenet vigilantes
deciding to classify posts as spam on the basis that they disliked
the contents. This discussion shows that the wisdom of that
concern still has relevance.

Until someone else comes up with a better content-blind objective
definition of spam, the BI is still the benchmark.

 

[Jerry Stuckle]

In <[email protected]> on Thu, 03 Jan


When was that decided? I must have missed that debate.

It's been dismissed as virtually meaningless for quite a while, now.
SPAM has changed, but the index hasn't.

What aww might or might not consider is about as relevant outside
aww as a spider's fart. I'm not reading this thread in aww.

Fine. I am reading this in a.w.w., and it is spam here.

The BI was adopted as a way of avoiding would-be Usenet vigilantes
deciding to classify posts as spam on the basis that they disliked
the contents. This discussion shows that the wisdom of that
concern still has relevance.

So you have some meaningless, out of date measurement which doesn't say
something is spam or not, but only classifies the severity of the SPAM.

Right. Try again.

Until someone else comes up with a better content-blind objective
definition of spam, the BI is still the benchmark.

There is. The charter and/or FAQs for the newsgroup. And the FAQs for
a.w.w., which were agreed to by the majority of the regulars here,
classify this as spam.

What you want in your newsgroup is up to you. We don't want it here.

And BTW - the same is true for c.l.p, and it's in the charter for that
newsgroup.

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[RafaMinu]

You don't seem to get that these newsgroups aren't job boards.


Why not follow your own advice? If you aren't going to do anything more
than post job openings, take it somewhere else.

Did it ever occur to you that those who have the skills needed for these
types of positions already know where to look for jobs? That's assuming
they even need one. Most people in these groups aren't qualified for
those types of jobs either, even if they are usability or accessibility
advocates. I bet the companies involved wouldn't be thrilled to get a
flood of unqualified applicants resulting from your posts.

You're not doing them any favors, or us.

I disagree.

There is no doubt that due thanks to the implementation of CSS2, the
world of web development is changing fast, and it is going to change
even more with the implementation of the upcoming WC3, CSS3
recommendations. We are now able to produce web pages that function
very similar and have an almost identical look and feel, regardless of
which web browser you're using.

This means that web developers will spend less time worrying about
cross-browser issues and will spend more time making sure that their
pages validate correctly and conform to Accessibility guidelines.
Web developers are today forced to address Accessibility issues even
if it's only for these two reasons:
- Firstly, there is evidence emerging that search engines are
beginning to give preference to those pages that validate correctly.
- Secondly, in the USA, we are beginning to see successful
prosecutions against public Websites that do not conform to
Accessibility guidelines and this trend will almost certainly develop,
in both the USA and throughout the rest of the developed world.

As for the UK, nearly 75 percent of FTSE 100 company websites fail to
meet the minimum accessibility requirements.
The Disability Rights Commission estimates that there are over 10
million people with disabilities in the UK and by ignoring
accessibility and usability, companies are excluding over £80 billion
in untapped revenue.
Companies just aren't appreciating how important this issue is.

There are also countless millions of people with conditions that
affect the way they access the Internet, but do not feature on any
register.
For example, people with learning difficulties, Dyslexia, cognitive
impairments, people with glasses or those that have Repetitive Strain
Injury, etc.
All of these groups have the legal right to access the Internet via
the best method for their needs.
By rejecting usability you are actively turning a huge amount of
visitors away and encouraging negative feelings which can end up
damaging the brand entirely as well as leaving yourselves exposed to
legal action.

As you can imagine, there's an urgent need for LOTS of professionals
that can make those sites accessible.
So, you see, I do believe I am doing them a big favour, and a bigger
favour to all readers of this thread interested in web design/
development.

 

[RafaMinu]

(e-mail address removed),




First of all, this is all old news and the particular law you cite
applies only to the UK.

In the US we have the ADA. And that specifies that one should make
"reasonable accommodation." That can vary quite a bit in interpretation,
or not be applicable at all, depending on the web site in question.

Of course here in the US, our government is a lot less inclined to do
social engineering by putting requirements on private businesses. And
that's the way most people here want it.

In the US you also have the 1998 Act for Federal agencies.

The Rehabilitation Act Amendments of 1998 significantly expanded and
strengthened the requirements of Section 508. As amended in 1998, the
law directed the Access Board to create binding, enforceable standards
that spell out what makes E & IT products accessible to persons with
disabilities. Federal agencies must use these standards in all their E
& IT acquisitions. The standards make it easier for agencies to meet
their obligation to make technology systems accessible.

Since the legislation was incorporated into the updates to the Federal
Acquisition Regulation (FAR) as published April 25, 2001, agencies'
procurement of accessible technology is subject to the same stringent
compliance and enforcement mechanisms as other parts of the FAR.

The scope of section 508 and the Access Board standards are limited to
the Federal government.

The complaint process is the same as that used for section 504 under
which a person with a disability can allege discrimination on the
basis of disability in Federally conducted programs or activities. The
administrative complaint process allows any individual with a
disability to file a complaint alleging that a Federal department or
agency has not complied with the accessible technology standards in a
procurement made after June 2001.

Section 508 does not permit punitive damage awards. Those who prevail
will win court orders demanding that agencies comply with section 508
and recovery of attorney's fees. Individuals may also file a civil
action against an agency.

Under section 508, Federal agencies must ensure that E & IT is
accessible to employees and members of the public with disabilities. E
& IT includes information technology and equipment or interconnected
system or subsystem of equipment that is used to create, convert, or
duplicate data or information. This includes, but is not limited to,
computers, ancillary equipment, software, telecommunication products,
information kiosks, World Wide Web sites, multimedia, and office
equipment.

Information technology refers specifically to equipment or
interconnected system or subsystem of equipment, that is used in the
automatic acquisition, storage, manipulation, management, movement,
control, display, switching, interchange, transmission, or reception
of data or information.

Section 508 addresses accessibility for people who have:

* Visual disabilities.
* Hearing disabilities.
* Motor disabilities.
* Speech disabilities.

http://www.section508.gov/

 

[Bergamot]

We are now able to produce web pages that function
very similar and have an almost identical look and feel, regardless of
which web browser you're using.

Not that I agree with that statement, but what's that got to do with
anything?

By rejecting usability

Why do you think any of us are rejecting usability? We are simply
rejecting your post.

As you can imagine, there's an urgent need for LOTS of professionals
that can make those sites accessible.

Did you even read the HFI ad? They're looking for *instructors*. That's
a whole different skill set than just making accessibility improvements
on a web site. I imagine their hiring criteria for consultants is way
above your average self-taught webmaster, too.

BTW, do you even know the difference between usability and accessibility?

So, you see, I do believe I am doing them a big favour, and a bigger
favour to all readers of this thread interested in web design/
development.

Yeah, OK, if you say so. :-\

 

[KarlCore]

Why do you think any of us are rejecting usability? We are simply
rejecting your post.

It should be obvious by now that this person is a troll. Killfile
accordingly.

Karl

 

[KarlCore]

It should be obvious by now that this person is a troll. Killfile
accordingly.

Karl

In fact, this is our Spanish friend, Rafael Martinez-Minuesa, better
known as 1001Webs, who has morphed and returned to troll us.

Personally, I would have thought a 47 year old man would have more to
do than to troll newsgroups, but whatever.

Karl

 

[RafaMinu]

Not that I agree with that statement, but what's that got to do with
anything?

It was the introductory part.
You seem to veer off the main topic, so I'm trying to center it.

Why do you think any of us are rejecting usability? We are simply
rejecting your post.

Part of the introduction, as well.

Did you even read the HFI ad? They're looking for *instructors*. That's
a whole different skill set than just making accessibility improvements
on a web site. I imagine their hiring criteria for consultants is way
above your average self-taught webmaster, too.

That's why I posted here.
I know there are some people that meet that criteria.

BTW, do you even know the difference between usability and accessibility?

usability and accessibility are complementary.

Yeah, OK, if you say so. :-\

I'll take that as a thank you.
You're welcome.

 

[RafaMinu]

It should be obvious by now that this person is a troll.  Killfile
accordingly.

Karl

Another apprentice of dictator pathetically trying to tell people what
they can or can not read.

 

[RafaMinu]

In fact, this is our Spanish friend,  Rafael Martinez-Minuesa, better
known as 1001Webs, who has morphed and returned to troll us.

Personally, I would have thought a 47 year old man would have more to
do than to troll newsgroups, but whatever.

46.
Can't even put 2 plus 2 together, can you?

 

[Harlan Messinger]

In fact, this is our Spanish friend, Rafael Martinez-Minuesa, better
known as 1001Webs, who has morphed and returned to troll us.

Oh, good grief. I just confirmed this via Google. Not a clueless
stranger but a repeat offender. Thanks for figuring this out.

 

[Bergamot]

In fact, this is our Spanish friend, Rafael Martinez-Minuesa, better
known as 1001Webs, who has morphed and returned to troll us.

Now that you've figured this out, he'll no doubt find another handle to
pester us with.

 

[KarlCore]

Now that you've figured this out, he'll no doubt find another handle to
pester us with.

He's so obvious that it wasn't very hard to figure out. His "insults"
and writing style is always the same.
It is sad, really. He's a smart guy who could contribute to the group.
Instead, he chooses to act like an annoying child.

Karl

 

[RafaMinu]

Oh, good grief. I just confirmed this via Google. Not a clueless
stranger but a repeat offender. Thanks for figuring this out.

Congratulations Columbo.
But you see, my profile is just one click away and from there to my
website there's only another click.
Here, I'll save you the "effort":
http://geocities.com/rafael_minuesa/

P.D.
I see you coming, so please note that if you plan to validate or use
the XHTML and CSS code of those web pages, you need to remove first
the extra code generated by Yahoo servers.
That code is composed of JavaScript and it is very easy to identify
because it is pointed at by the following comments:
"text above generated by server. PLEASE REMOVE"
"text below generated by server. PLEASE REMOVE"

After cleaning up the code you can validate it at the W3C Validator by
uploading the file at the following URL:
http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_upload

 

[RafaMinu]

He's so obvious that it wasn't very hard to figure out. His "insults"
and writing style is always the same.
It is sad, really. He's a smart guy who could contribute to the group.
Instead, he chooses to act like an annoying child.

What's really a pity is that you don't stick to the thread's topic.
Instead you choose to harass me and that's very childish, let me tell
you ...

 

[KarlCore]

What's really a pity is that you don't stick to the thread's topic.
Instead you choose to harass me and that's very childish, let me tell
you ...

See, that's what makes you a terrible troll. Your attempts to draw
people into a fight are so transparent. Sure, you might get Jerry
Stuckle to go a few rounds with you using bait like that, but it'll be
far from a group-disrupting trolling. I'm convinced that a really
good troll goes straight for the throat when it comes to disrupting a
group. This trying to appear on-topic business just doesn't work
well. Instead, try taking on a really divisive topic like politics or
religion. First, it is seriously off-topic, which will automatically
make almost everyone mad. Second, no matter what position you take,
you're bound to get about 50% of the group to argue with you. Last,
after the first 50% of the group gets to arguing with you, the other
50% will jump in to defend you. The more controversial a topic is,
the better. Since you're big on cut & paste, try pasting one of
Iran's Prime Minister's rants about how the Holocaust is a myth or
something. I'm just saying, if you want to be a troll, try harder
because right now you're failing miserably.

Karl

 

[Sherman Pendley]

I'm just saying, if you want to be a troll, try harder
because right now you're failing miserably.

He could learn a thing or two, that's for sure. Head over to
comp.lang.java.programmer, and have a look at the "Great SWT
Program" thread - it's been going for a couple of months now,
and has over 4000 messages in it. Now *that* is trolling.

sherm--

 

[Doug Baiter]

RafaMinu wrote:
RafaMinu wrote:
[spam about] Consulting and teaching positions:
...
Recruiting Manager
Human Factors International
Believe or not the only interest behind the posting is nothing else
than provide useful information.
What makes HFI's job openings different or more useful than the other
zillion job postings out there? You aren't going to spam Usenet with all
of them, are you?
The very nature of the job offered is what makes it different.
It's all about accessibility and usability. A most interesting topic
and related to ALL Groups posted.
I just wish this thread would focus on that topic.
If you want to discuss about SPAM, then you should focus your
attention to the hundreds of SPAM messages posted on this Group on a
regular basis.
No, it doesn't. There are zillions of other job postings of similar types.

Untrue.
Show me just one.

Just google. You'll find them all over the place.

Wrong.
The topic I started is about accesibilty job openings.
Alternatively I offered some advice to a novel musician.
Your replies are the ones that are utterly off-topic and not welcomed.
If you are interested in SPAM, I suggest you stay away from this
thread and get into one of the zillion SPAM messages available
somewhere else.

The topic you started is SPAM. Nothing more, nothing less. And we're
discussing your SPAM.

Get lost, SPAMMER. Your kind are not welcome here.

And I and others will keep telling you that until you get it through
your thick skull.

Do yourself a favour, OP. Ignore Stuckle. He can't help it, but he's
obsessive on describing anything he doesn't like as spam. And anyone
who disagrees is, according to him, a spammer themselves. He spent
three months calling me a spammer here and never got up the balls to
apologise for his lies.

 

[Doug Baiter]

<snip rubbish>
Ooops, nothing left...

 

[Doug Baiter]

[snip]
Since you are unable to contribute anything positive to the thread,
I'm going to add a few more links:
Job Opening for Web Accessibility QA
If you or someone you know has good experience and knowledge in Web
Accessibility, and wants a good job in California (Silicon Valley),
please contact me, Dennis, at webaxe at gmail dot com. The position is
in the QA department for a company that does a financial web
application.
http://webaxe.___________-qa.html
Open Posts
MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Web Accessibility Engineer
European Research Consortium on Informatics and Mathematics (ERCIM)
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Web Accessibility and Ageing Consultant
http://www.w3.org/_________ecruitment/
Now, if you want to discuss these postings and/or contribute with
other links, please do so.
Otherwise stay off this thread and take your off-topic deviations
somewhere else.
Now you've just gone and got your fingers up in the air in rebellion like a
kid. "F*ck you I won't do what you tell me"

Up yours ¡¡¡

You did not start this discussion with usability issues. You started it
with SPAM. Plain and simple. And now you SPAM more.

You aren't going to find anyone to discuss SPAM with you.

And with that attitude, you won't find anyone to discuss ANYTHING with
you - unless it's another spammer.

In the same way that you cant get anyone to discuss anything with you,
unless they're another loony anti-spam zealot?