w3c don't follow their own standards?

[123Jim]

Hi all,
So ... I've been looking at some of my pages and getting 4.01 strict
validation errors for <br> and for <br clear="all"> and a few other
elements.

I look to the developer of the standards the w3c and find their cheetsheet
page http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/ is full of errors!!

I find this incredible. Here we all are trying to stick to standards and the
industry arbiters of standards can't be bothered to follow their own
standards.

What am I missing?

 

[idle]

Hi all,
So ... I've been looking at some of my pages and getting 4.01 strict
validation errors for <br> and for <br clear="all"> and a few other
elements.

I look to the developer of the standards the w3c and find their cheetsheet
page http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/ is full of errors!!

So is http://www.w3.org
CSS is whacked

I find this incredible. Here we all are trying to stick to standards and the
industry arbiters of standards can't be bothered to follow their own
standards.

Kinda like the American Political system.

What am I missing?

Install Windows

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

So ... I've been looking at some of my pages and getting 4.01 strict
validation errors for <br> and for <br clear="all"> and a few other
elements.

URL? To borrow a statement from Jonathan, "We are web designers, not

I look to the developer of the standards the w3c and find their
cheetsheet page http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/ is full of
errors!!

I see one warning. "Using experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance
Checker." What did you use to determine it is "full of errors!!"

I find this incredible. Here we all are trying to stick to standards
and the industry arbiters of standards can't be bothered to follow
their own standards.

Looks fine to me. Perhaps your unnamed browser doesn't know how to deal
with HTML5.

What am I missing?

Running the w3c validator?

 

[123Jim]

URL? To borrow a statement from Jonathan, "We are web designers, not


I see one warning. "Using experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance
Checker." What did you use to determine it is "full of errors!!"


Looks fine to me. Perhaps your unnamed browser doesn't know how to deal
with HTML5.


Running the w3c validator?

Huh ... the 'Html Validator' add-on using SGML Parser for Firefox (supposed
to be the same as W3C) gives me 36 errors on the w3 cheatsheet page.
Guess I need a replacement validator addon for Firefox now..
cheers.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Please snip signatures.

Huh ... the 'Html Validator' add-on using SGML Parser for Firefox
(supposed to be the same as W3C) gives me 36 errors on the w3
cheatsheet page. Guess I need a replacement validator addon for
Firefox now.. cheers.

Perhaps whoever wrote that hasn't updated it for HTML5 then?

Get the Web Developer Toolbar extension, and W3C validation is two
clicks - or one key-combo - away.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60

 

[dorayme]

Huh ... the 'Html Validator' add-on using SGML Parser for Firefox (supposed
to be the same as W3C) gives me 36 errors on the w3 cheatsheet page.
Guess I need a replacement validator addon for Firefox now..
cheers.

http://tinyurl.com/2vklyg5

 

[123Jim]

Please snip signatures.


Perhaps whoever wrote that hasn't updated it for HTML5 then?

Get the Web Developer Toolbar extension, and W3C validation is two
clicks - or one key-combo - away.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60

Actually had 'the Web Developer Toolbar extension' already .. just never
realised it has that validate function .. so that will do nicely!

My own errors are many, but simple. For example here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ladycroft/Rewrite_line_in_text_file_based_on_contents.html

( was more interested in the JavaScript at time of writing it)

What about those textareas? the validator wants rows and columns but I have
pixels .. which make more sense to me, it works, is invalid and I need to
think about fonts, ems in order to change it ?

 

[123Jim]

<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0>

"This document was successfully checked as HTML5!"

and

"The document located at <http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/> was
successfully checked as HTML5. This means that the resource in question
identified itself as "HTML5" and that we successfully performed a formal
validation using an SGML, HTML5 and/or XML Parser(s) (depending on the
markup language used)."

What errors?

yeah, we're past that now , my error .. turns out my validator Add-on
for Firefox does not know about HTML5 .. it'll catch up sometime I think ..
meanwhile I will be using a different Firefox Add-on called 'Web Developer'

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

My own errors are many, but simple. For example here:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ladycroft/Rewrite_line_in_text_file_based_on_contents.html

Hah! As I suspected, your <br>s are within the <body>. That's an error
(for each one) in Strict. You don't need them anyway; add some

( was more interested in the JavaScript at time of writing it)

What about those textareas? the validator wants rows and columns but
I have pixels .. which make more sense to me, it works, is invalid
and I need to think about fonts, ems in order to change it ?

'Tis because width and height are not valid attributes for <textarea>.
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_textarea.asp
You need the rows and columns.

Oh, and I'm quite happy with my default font and size for textareas. You
don't really need to specify those, either. <g>

(I don't do JavaScript, so no comments on any of that.)

 

[Neredbojias]

( was more interested in the JavaScript at time of writing it)

What about those textareas? the validator wants rows and columns but
I have pixels .. which make more sense to me, it works, is invalid
and I need to think about fonts, ems in order to change it ?

It's been awhile since I did any ta but I ...think... css overrides the
rows and cols so you can include them to validate.

 

[123Jim]

Hah! As I suspected, your <br>s are within the <body>. That's an error
(for each one) in Strict. You don't need them anyway; add some


'Tis because width and height are not valid attributes for <textarea>.
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_textarea.asp
You need the rows and columns.

Oh, and I'm quite happy with my default font and size for textareas. You
don't really need to specify those, either. <g>

(I don't do JavaScript, so no comments on any of that.)

Have added ROWS and COLS .... but with arbitrary values .... to make my
textareas validate. the values don't have any effect .. probably because of
the container table cells having dimension.
In addition I enclosed <br> and <input> in extra <div>
so the page validates at least ....

 

[123Jim]

It's been awhile since I did any ta but I ...think... css overrides the
rows and cols so you can include them to validate.

yes .. that is what I found
cheers