weird: content gets hidden when moving over a link in internet explorer

O

omeldoid

it's really frustrating. the following code works in firefox, but in ie
(version 6.something) moving over a link hides some of the content on
the page. one of the solutions is to remove a style declaration for the
link! can somebody help me, please, i fail to see the error, if it's on
my side. or is it yet another of those nasty bugs?
thanks,
andrej

the code:

<html>
<head>
<style>
a:hover { border-bottom: solid red 1px }
#placeholder { width: 715px; }
#textl, #textm, #textr { width: 200px; }
#textl { float: left; }
#textr { float: right; }
#box { border: solid red 2px }
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div id="placeholder">
<div>
<div>
<a href="xxx">MALICIOUSLINK</a>
</div>
<div id="box">
<p>WEIRD BEHAVIOUR</p>
<p>when you move the cursor over the link above,
some text from below gets hidden.</p>
<p>
1) if this div is deleted, it starts working<br>
2) if the style declaration for a:hover is deleted,
it starts working<br>
3) if the text at right is the longest, it also
works
</p>
</div>
<div id="textl">
LEFT<p>
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
</div>
<div id="textm">
MIDDLE<p>
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
asdf asdf asdf as fdas fda sdf asdf as dfa sdf asd
fa sdf as dfa sdf as df asdf a sdf asd fa sdf
</div>
<div id="textr">
RIGHT<p>
foo foo foo foo fo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
</div>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
 
T

Travis Newbury

it's really frustrating. the following code works in firefox, but in ie...
Click to expand...

Here, let me cut and paste you code inton a text document and upload it
to my web server so I can see what you are talking about.

Wait a second, since YOU are searching for an answer, how about YOU put
the code on a server and just include the URL to the code?
 
O

omeldoid

i've just found it: it the infamous ie `guillotine bug'.
as for the uploading, it seems really superfluous. is there no notion
of `localhost' and a local http server in windows? in *nix it's
commonplace; you just check it locally.
 
I

ironcorona

is there no notion
of `localhost' and a local http server in windows? in *nix it's
commonplace; you just check it locally.
Click to expand...

Of course there is. You just point the browser at a html file on your
your local disk.
 
J

JDS

i've just found it: it the infamous ie `guillotine bug'.
as for the uploading, it seems really superfluous. is there no notion
of `localhost' and a local http server in windows? in *nix it's
commonplace; you just check it locally.
Click to expand...

You are missing the point: Why should we bother copy and pasting the code
to a local file and then looking at the file in a browser locally when YOU
could save us the steps by posting the file and telling us the URL.
 
A

Andy Dingley

ironcorona said:
Of course there is. You just point the browser at a html file on your
your local disk.
Click to expand...

That's not the same thing. Also Windows doesn't have alocal web server
by default, you have to install one (typically PWS, or maybe Apache)

For subtle bugs, looking at files in a filesystem is certainly NOT the
same thing as a web server. You don't get HTTP headers, so you often
see browsers behaving differently. It's OK for quick draft design work,
but don't go bug-hunting this way.


(e-mail address removed) is getting ignored because he expects those who
might otherwise help him, to do simple work that he's not prepared to
do himself (placing it on a web server). It shouldn't be any surprise
that the useful people are also busy people.

(I have 3 minutes 11 seconds to ponder this post before my Ant script
finishes and I have to get back to work).
 
I

ironcorona

Andy Dingley said:
That's not the same thing. Also Windows doesn't have alocal web server
by default, you have to install one (typically PWS, or maybe Apache)
For subtle bugs, looking at files in a filesystem is certainly NOT the
same thing as a web server. You don't get HTTP headers, so you often
see browsers behaving differently. It's OK for quick draft design work,
but don't go bug-hunting this way.
Click to expand...

Ah yes, of course. There's no dispute there. But for many things that
can go wrong IMHO you don't need to have the page on a server.
 
A

Alan J. Flavell

That's not the same thing. Also Windows doesn't have alocal web
server by default, you have to install one (typically PWS, or maybe
Apache)
Click to expand...

For those who develop on Windows, but host the results on an Apache
server (which *is* the most usual production web server, after all),
then I'd certainly recommend them installing Win32 Apache2 and using
it to mimic their part of the production web site as closely as
possible[1]
For subtle bugs, looking at files in a filesystem is certainly NOT
the same thing as a web server. You don't get HTTP headers, so you
often see browsers behaving differently. It's OK for quick draft
design work, but don't go bug-hunting this way.
Click to expand...

Fully agree with that.
(e-mail address removed) is getting ignored because he expects those who
might otherwise help him, to do simple work that he's not prepared
to do himself (placing it on a web server).
Click to expand...

Definitely safest to host the test pages on a publicly accessible web
server *and* verify that the problem is still present, before
launching a question here, indeed. Nicest of course if the questioner
can boil the problem down into an uncluttered test case.

I lost count of the number of incidents of copy/paste errors in usenet
postings - which have either introduced some new problem that wasn't
the one they were looking for, or (as in that recent incident on the
uk web group) completely omitted the cause of the problem that they
*were* looking for. Complete waste of everybody's time - not only
their own.

cheers

[1] Yes, Virginia, it *is* possible to create a file called .htaccess
in Windows, even if some Windows applications try to convince you
otherwise! But it's necessary to take care over possible upper/lower
case incompatibilities between windows and production OSes.
 
J

Jim Moe

i've just found it: it the infamous ie `guillotine bug'.
as for the uploading, it seems really superfluous. is there no notion
of `localhost' and a local http server in windows? in *nix it's
commonplace; you just check it locally.
Click to expand...
The reason for an URL to a test case is that pasted code usually has
errors or omissions in it that hide the advertised problem. The result is
a series of "What the f--k?" messages that waste everyone's time.
 
A

Andy Dingley

For those who develop on Windows, but host the results on an Apache
server (which *is* the most usual production web server, after all),
then I'd certainly recommend them installing Win32 Apache2
Click to expand...

I'll consider that option shortly after someone gives me a good reason
not to have an old dog of a PC running Debian under the desk.
 
A

Alan J. Flavell

I'll consider that option shortly after someone gives me a good
reason not to have an old dog of a PC running Debian under the desk.
Click to expand...

Yeah, or run both in parallel in virtual machines. But I was offering
my best advice to those who, for whatever reason of their own and
whatever you or I might say, have decided to develop on the MSWin
platform.

p.s the old linux system under the desk isn't a great deal of help
when one's whiling away^W^W productively applying the time on a laptop
during one's travels.

OT:

Speaking of laptops: when I've been at conferences recently, it's been
interesting to have a little watch at what other folks are doing on
their laptops during the conference. There seem to be three main
camps:

1. watching the conference's streaming media on the web (kind-of
strange to sit in a conference session, and then watch the streaming
media that were intended for those who couldn't get there in person).

2. windows users: processing their email via their VPN

3. linux users: building kernels

ttfn
 

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