what sample work to show in job interview?

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  1. Matt

    Matt Guest

    For a job interview, what sample work we should show? We cannot show
    the source code we did in previous jobs, or documentations in previous
    jobs, because of company's propreitary, correct?

    please advise. thanks!!
     
    Matt, Sep 25, 2004
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  2. Andrew Thompson, Sep 25, 2004
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  3. "Andrew Thompson" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 24 Sep 2004 23:00:09 -0700, Matt wrote:
    >
    > > For a job interview, what sample work we should show?

    >
    > Why don't you show them transcripts of some of the
    > many times you have helped people learning Java through
    > the public discussion groups?
    >


    Wicked :)

    Is in common (in the USA ?) to ask job applicants to provide examples of
    work done in past employment? In the UK I reckon you're more likely to be
    asked to describe projects and answer more general questions. How would
    you even know that the work was really their own?

    Maybe if coding skills are really crucial it might be better to set a few
    problems and leave them at a PC for an hour or two.

    Michael Saunby
     
    Michael Saunby, Sep 25, 2004
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  4. Michael Saunby coughed up:
    > "Andrew Thompson" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On 24 Sep 2004 23:00:09 -0700, Matt wrote:
    >>
    >>> For a job interview, what sample work we should show?

    >>
    >> Why don't you show them transcripts of some of the
    >> many times you have helped people learning Java through
    >> the public discussion groups?
    >>

    >
    > Wicked :)
    >
    > Is in common (in the USA ?) to ask job applicants to provide examples
    > of work done in past employment?


    No. Very unusual, IME. Never happened to me in 20ish years.


    > In the UK I reckon you're more
    > likely to be asked to describe projects and answer more general
    > questions. How would you even know that the work was really their
    > own?
    >
    > Maybe if coding skills are really crucial it might be better to set a
    > few problems and leave them at a PC for an hour or two.
    >
    > Michael Saunby


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    Onedoctortoanother:"Ifthisismyrectalthermometer,wherethehell'smypen???"
     
    Thomas G. Marshall, Sep 25, 2004
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  5. Matt

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    (Matt) wrote in message news:<>...
    > For a job interview, what sample work we should show? We cannot show
    > the source code we did in previous jobs, or documentations in previous
    > jobs, because of company's propreitary, correct?
    >
    > please advise. thanks!!


    A personal home page with a couple of servlets running on it did it
    for me. I mentioned in a cover-letter they they should have one of
    their techies look at it; the logs showed that someone played poker
    for half-an-hour. That job interview held no fear ...

    ..ed

    www.EdmundKirwan.com - Home of The Fractal Class Composition
     
    , Sep 25, 2004
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  6. coughed up:
    > (Matt) wrote in message
    > news:<>...
    >> For a job interview, what sample work we should show? We cannot show
    >> the source code we did in previous jobs, or documentations in
    >> previous jobs, because of company's propreitary, correct?
    >>
    >> please advise. thanks!!

    >
    > A personal home page with a couple of servlets running on it did it
    > for me. I mentioned in a cover-letter they they should have one of
    > their techies look at it; the logs showed that someone played poker
    > for half-an-hour. That job interview held no fear ...
    >
    > .ed
    >
    > www.EdmundKirwan.com - Home of The Fractal Class Composition


    Good idea.

    Perhaps another good idea in applying in general is to supply a cd-rom with
    a fully blown application that you've written on the side. And make it
    glitzy as hell using skinning.

    To the side of the interview process, my favorite idea (for resume
    submittal) is instead of placing the phrase

    "references available upon request"

    in your resume, supply a sheet with 7 reference /quotes/ from your 7
    greatest fan co-workers. A sentence or 2 or a paragraph, as in the first
    page of novels, extolling your abilities just shy of nauseum :)

    "This guy taught me more about OO than 10+ prior
    years of world experience. He did this and that {etc....}"
    Dwight Shmidlap, principal architect
    Smedly Corp,
    123-456-7890 x123

    And then they'll be faced most resumes with unknown references, and then
    yours which 7 known opinions, and names and emails to go with them. This
    works in another way too. People often dread checking references, and often
    don't do them at all. When you supply them ahead of time, you'll have
    references in their heads, and the others might not get checked at all.

    You'll appear as a /known entity/. A bird in the hand, to overuse a
    metaphor.

    IMHO.


    --
    It'salwaysbeenmygoalinlifetocreateasignaturethatendedwiththeword"blarphoogy"
    ..
     
    Thomas G. Marshall, Sep 25, 2004
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  7. "Thomas G. Marshall" <>
    wrote in message news:2jg5d.3269$Wa7.1381@trndny06...
    >
    > To the side of the interview process, my favorite idea (for resume
    > submittal) is instead of placing the phrase
    >
    > "references available upon request"
    >
    > in your resume, supply a sheet with 7 reference /quotes/ from your 7
    > greatest fan co-workers. A sentence or 2 or a paragraph, as in the first
    > page of novels, extolling your abilities just shy of nauseum :)
    >
    > "This guy taught me more about OO than 10+ prior
    > years of world experience. He did this and that {etc....}"
    > Dwight Shmidlap, principal architect
    > Smedly Corp,
    > 123-456-7890 x123
    >
    > And then they'll be faced most resumes with unknown references, and then
    > yours which 7 known opinions, and names and emails to go with them. This
    > works in another way too. People often dread checking references, and

    often
    > don't do them at all. When you supply them ahead of time, you'll have
    > references in their heads, and the others might not get checked at all.
    >
    > You'll appear as a /known entity/. A bird in the hand, to overuse a
    > metaphor.
    >
    > IMHO.


    This is an absolutely brilliant idea! Thanks! :)
     
    Rogue Chameleon, Sep 25, 2004
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  8. On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:51:27 +0100, Michael Saunby wrote:

    > Is in common (in the USA ?) to ask job applicants to provide examples of
    > work done in past employment? In the UK I reckon you're more likely to be
    > asked to describe projects and answer more general questions. How would
    > you even know that the work was really their own?


    NDAs and contracts have forbidden me to go into too much detail about
    projects with prior companies. Instead I show a project I developed off
    to the side and released as freeware.

    For my first real job after graduation, I let them see some school
    projects, the problems my team solved at the ACM regional programming
    contest (where we took 10th out of more than 60 teams), and some special
    projects I did for my professors off to the side. These samples landed me
    a great job with a start-up.

    > Maybe if coding skills are really crucial it might be better to set a
    > few problems and leave them at a PC for an hour or two.
    >
    > Michael Saunby


    During my three days of interviewing at Novel, they gave me a sheet of
    some advanced code then asked to think out loud as I figured out what it
    does. Then they gave me a sample problem and had me work it out on the
    white board.

    HTH,
    La'ie Techie
     
    the Aloha Spirit, Sep 27, 2004
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  9. Rogue Chameleon coughed up:
    > "Thomas G. Marshall"
    > <> wrote in
    > message news:2jg5d.3269$Wa7.1381@trndny06...
    >>
    >> To the side of the interview process, my favorite idea (for resume
    >> submittal) is instead of placing the phrase
    >>
    >> "references available upon request"
    >>
    >> in your resume, supply a sheet with 7 reference /quotes/ from your 7
    >> greatest fan co-workers. A sentence or 2 or a paragraph, as in the
    >> first page of novels, extolling your abilities just shy of nauseum :)
    >>
    >> "This guy taught me more about OO than 10+ prior
    >> years of world experience. He did this and that {etc....}"
    >> Dwight Shmidlap, principal architect
    >> Smedly Corp,
    >> 123-456-7890 x123
    >>
    >> And then they'll be faced most resumes with unknown references, and
    >> then yours which 7 known opinions, and names and emails to go with
    >> them. This works in another way too. People often dread checking
    >> references, and often don't do them at all. When you supply them
    >> ahead of time, you'll have references in their heads, and the others
    >> might not get checked at all.
    >>
    >> You'll appear as a /known entity/. A bird in the hand, to overuse a
    >> metaphor.
    >>
    >> IMHO.

    >
    > This is an absolutely brilliant idea! Thanks! :)


    Thank you! And you're welcome. I hesitated giving it, because I not only
    wanted to pretend that I thought of it (no ideas are truly unique, give or
    take), and that I didn't want /everyone/ doing that.

    LOL



    --
    "It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
    -Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides
     
    Thomas G. Marshall, Sep 28, 2004
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  10. Thomas G. Marshall coughed up:
    > Rogue Chameleon coughed up:
    >> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >> <> wrote in
    >> message news:2jg5d.3269$Wa7.1381@trndny06...
    >>>
    >>> To the side of the interview process, my favorite idea (for resume
    >>> submittal) is instead of placing the phrase
    >>>
    >>> "references available upon request"
    >>>
    >>> in your resume, supply a sheet with 7 reference /quotes/ from your 7
    >>> greatest fan co-workers. A sentence or 2 or a paragraph, as in the
    >>> first page of novels, extolling your abilities just shy of nauseum
    >>> :)
    >>>
    >>> "This guy taught me more about OO than 10+ prior
    >>> years of world experience. He did this and that {etc....}"
    >>> Dwight Shmidlap, principal architect
    >>> Smedly Corp,
    >>> 123-456-7890 x123
    >>>
    >>> And then they'll be faced most resumes with unknown references, and
    >>> then yours which 7 known opinions, and names and emails to go with
    >>> them. This works in another way too. People often dread checking
    >>> references, and often don't do them at all. When you supply them
    >>> ahead of time, you'll have references in their heads, and the others
    >>> might not get checked at all.
    >>>
    >>> You'll appear as a /known entity/. A bird in the hand, to overuse a
    >>> metaphor.
    >>>
    >>> IMHO.

    >>
    >> This is an absolutely brilliant idea! Thanks! :)

    >
    > Thank you! And you're welcome. I hesitated giving it, because I not
    > only wanted to pretend that I thought of it


    What I mean is that even though I /did/ conujur this on my own, I wanted the
    pretend glory that I was the only one in the universe who /ever/ thought of
    it. Emphasis on "pretend".

    Ah well.


    > (no ideas are truly
    > unique, give or take), and that I didn't want /everyone/ doing that.
    >
    > LOL


    --
    "It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
    -Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides
     
    Thomas G. Marshall, Sep 28, 2004
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  11. In article <>,
    (Matt) wrote:

    > For a job interview, what sample work we should show? We cannot show
    > the source code we did in previous jobs, or documentations in previous
    > jobs, because of company's propreitary, correct?


    Depends on what you wrote for the previous job. At one client, I was
    part of an open source effort, which made finding sample code easy.

    I also usually have a few personal projects lying about that get used.
    For a long time, PCGen was a great example of a project written mostly
    by Java newbies with just a few experts. This was great, as I could
    show places where I had made substantial useful changes, but could not
    re-engineer the whole API. I also could show the utility of a profile,
    unit tests, and refactoring. Since then, the code base has dramatically
    improved, as the previous experts have had more time to fix up the code.

    I usually craft something new for each batch of interviews. I then tell
    the interviewer up front that for NDA reasons, I do not have any client
    code, so I put together the following small application to demonstrate a
    technology, solve a problem, or demonstrate how I might approach a task.

    Scott

    Java and database consulting for the life sciences
     
    Scott Ellsworth, Sep 28, 2004
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