Which is better: Mambo, Typo3 or Ezpublish?

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Deryck, Feb 24, 2005.

  1. Deryck

    Deryck Guest

    OK, thats an unfair question but does anyone know of any good resources
    for comparisons between these 3 CMS's? Alternatively, any personal
    recommendations would be appreciated.

    I am involved in a project to 'make over' a medium sized site that is
    already using Mambo. My gut preference is to stick with Mambo although I
    have never used it. I have experimented with Typo3. I am about to take a
    few days to explore all 3 of them a little bit more and any advice would
    be welecomed.

    Cheers

    Deryck
    Deryck, Feb 24, 2005
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  2. "Deryck" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > OK, thats an unfair question but does anyone know of any good resources
    > for comparisons between these 3 CMS's? Alternatively, any personal
    > recommendations would be appreciated.
    >
    > I am involved in a project to 'make over' a medium sized site that is
    > already using Mambo. My gut preference is to stick with Mambo although I
    > have never used it. I have experimented with Typo3. I am about to take a
    > few days to explore all 3 of them a little bit more and any advice would
    > be welecomed.



    We offer a few different CMSs, with our hosting packages. By far, the most
    used is Mambo. Not sure why its the most used, I've never used it
    personally. The fact that more people choose it over the others must mean
    something.

    --Tina
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    Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc., Feb 24, 2005
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  3. Deryck

    Deryck Guest

    Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc. wrote:
    >
    >
    > We offer a few different CMSs, with our hosting packages. By far, the most
    > used is Mambo. Not sure why its the most used, I've never used it
    > personally. The fact that more people choose it over the others must mean
    > something.
    >
    > --Tina


    Thanks Tina. I was coming to the same conclusion, Mambo is very popular
    and must count for something in any evaluation process. If I find out
    why it's so popluar I will let you know.

    Cheers

    Deryck
    Deryck, Feb 24, 2005
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  4. "Deryck" <> skrev i meddelandet
    news:...
    > Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc. wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > We offer a few different CMSs, with our hosting packages. By far, the

    most
    > > used is Mambo. Not sure why its the most used, I've never used it
    > > personally. The fact that more people choose it over the others must

    mean
    > > something.
    > >
    > > --Tina


    May I ask you whether you have many customers from Europe?


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    Luigi Donatello Asero, Feb 24, 2005
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  5. "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Deryck" <> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:...
    >> Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc. wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > We offer a few different CMSs, with our hosting packages. By far, the

    > most
    >> > used is Mambo. Not sure why its the most used, I've never used it
    >> > personally. The fact that more people choose it over the others must

    > mean
    >> > something.
    >> >
    >> > --Tina

    >
    > May I ask you whether you have many customers from Europe?



    We have about 65% US customers and the rest are non-US.

    --Tina
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    Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc., Feb 24, 2005
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  6. Deryck

    JDS Guest

    On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:37:59 +0000, Deryck wrote:
    <snip!>
    > Thanks Tina. I was coming to the same conclusion, Mambo is very popular
    > and must count for something in any evaluation process. If I find out
    > why it's so popluar I will let you know.
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Deryck


    Popular or not, I strongly disliked Mambo. Sure it was powerful,
    featureful, and flexible, but it was also really really hard to
    configure/customize (beyond using available skins/templates) and the
    documentation was incomplete.

    I tried Nucleus which I like a lot better, but it is missing some workflow
    and multiple-user features that Mambo has.

    http://nucleuscms.org
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    JDS, Feb 24, 2005
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  7. Deryck

    Deryck Guest

    JDS wrote:
    >
    >
    > Popular or not, I strongly disliked Mambo. Sure it was powerful,
    > featureful, and flexible, but it was also really really hard to
    > configure/customize (beyond using available skins/templates) and the
    > documentation was incomplete.
    >

    Thanks JDS, I appreciate your comments. May I ask how much of a techie
    you consider yourself to be? Just so I can quantify how hard it is to
    customize.

    I'll look at nucleus although I'm being pushed to choose between Mambo,
    Typo3 and Ezpublish and Mambo is looking the lesser of the 3 evils.

    Cheers



    Deryck
    Deryck, Feb 24, 2005
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  8. "JDS" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:37:59 +0000, Deryck wrote:
    > <snip!>
    >> Thanks Tina. I was coming to the same conclusion, Mambo is very popular
    >> and must count for something in any evaluation process. If I find out
    >> why it's so popluar I will let you know.
    >>
    >> Cheers
    >>
    >> Deryck

    >
    > Popular or not, I strongly disliked Mambo. Sure it was powerful,
    > featureful, and flexible, but it was also really really hard to
    > configure/customize (beyond using available skins/templates) and the
    > documentation was incomplete.


    I agree with you, as I too found mambo very tough to customise. Mambo also
    failed quite miserably when I ran some usability tests on it with non-techie
    people, when it turned out to not be a very intuitive piece of software to
    use, in my experiments.

    Phil Thompson
    http://www.doubleonegative.com/

    <snip />
    Phil Thompson, Feb 24, 2005
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  9. Deryck

    JDS Guest

    On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:18:41 +0000, Deryck wrote:

    > Thanks JDS, I appreciate your comments. May I ask how much of a techie
    > you consider yourself to be? Just so I can quantify how hard it is to
    > customize.


    I consider myself an expert PHP coder and experienced, certified Linux
    system administrator. A generally high-level computer user.

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    JDS, Feb 24, 2005
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  10. Deryck

    Kor Guest

    I started with Typo3 and thought that was the solution. But it was
    over 20MB and has a steep learning curve, and a special language you
    have to learn when customizing.

    Then I thought EZ Publishing was THE answer, standards compliant etc.
    But using it in a shared host environment can be a problem, the
    php.ini needs to be changed, I remember there is a parameter something
    like "memory_limit" that needs at least 16MB. Also we had to hire a
    PHP specialist who spent hours getting it to work.

    Now I found Mambo, and I cannot find the right documentation. Also, I
    can't find how to add the wysiwyg editor, and which one. And in the
    text only text box you (or worse, my customer) needs to add "<br />"
    manually to create a new line.

    This is my personal experience and I am a bit desperate now...

    -Kor
    Kor, Mar 11, 2005
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  11. Deryck

    Pete Gray Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > I started with Typo3 and thought that was the solution. But it was
    > over 20MB and has a steep learning curve, and a special language you
    > have to learn when customizing.
    >
    > Then I thought EZ Publishing was THE answer, standards compliant etc.
    > But using it in a shared host environment can be a problem, the
    > php.ini needs to be changed, I remember there is a parameter something
    > like "memory_limit" that needs at least 16MB. Also we had to hire a
    > PHP specialist who spent hours getting it to work.
    >
    > Now I found Mambo, and I cannot find the right documentation. Also, I
    > can't find how to add the wysiwyg editor, and which one. And in the
    > text only text box you (or worse, my customer) needs to add "<br />"
    > manually to create a new line.
    >
    > This is my personal experience and I am a bit desperate now...
    >
    > -Kor
    >


    Don't know about Typo, but the key for EZ Publish (not always available
    in a shared environment) is that safe_mode must be off, or it won't work
    at all. Getting the memory limit changed is not a problem -- just ask
    your hosting provider. It does take an age to generate pages on first
    viewing -- but once they're cached it's fine. I quite like ezpublish as
    the output seems to be properly marked up. It also has much more
    powerful means of setting permissions for users.

    Mambo on the other hand will work with safe_mode on, has a simple admin
    interface and is easy to customise, but its output is by default a
    horrid mess of nested tables. I think you would need to edit the modules
    you are using to take out the <td class="contentheading"> type of thing
    and replace it with proper mark up. Strangely enough I was looking for
    just this very thing today and found this site which uses Mambo but with
    properly marked up output:

    <http://www.aurum3.com/>

    As for the wysiwyg editor, it's TinyMCE -- isn't it installed by
    default? What version of Mambo were you looking at?

    Mambo documentation appears to be almost non-existent, but there are
    plenty of sites with tutorials, for example here:
    <http://www.mamboportal.com/content/section/2/43/>

    --
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    Say No to ID Cards <http://www.no2id.net>
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    Pete Gray, Mar 11, 2005
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  12. Deryck

    Kor Guest

    Pete Gray <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > In article <>,
    > says...


    Hi Pete,

    > Getting the memory limit changed is not a problem -- just ask
    > your hosting provider.


    Well, this hosting provider was unwilling, they said it might cause
    problems for other customers.


    > but its output is by default a
    > horrid mess of nested tables. I think you would need to edit the modules
    > you are using to take out the <td class="contentheading"> type of thing
    > and replace it with proper mark up. Strangely enough I was looking for
    > just this very thing today and found this site which uses Mambo but with
    > properly marked up output:
    >
    > <http://www.aurum3.com/>


    Somewhere on a forum I found a posting from someone who also told
    about his efforts to make the output standard compliant and div-based
    instead of tables. He said he mostly edited
    components/com_content/content.html.php

    > As for the wysiwyg editor, it's TinyMCE -- isn't it installed by
    > default? What version of Mambo were you looking at?


    4.5.1, and no wysiwyg :-(

    > Mambo documentation appears to be almost non-existent, but there are
    > plenty of sites with tutorials, for example here:
    > <http://www.mamboportal.com/content/section/2/43/>


    thanks pete, I will look into that

    regards, Kor
    Kor, Mar 12, 2005
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  13. Deryck

    Pete Gray Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > Pete Gray <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > > In article <>,
    > > says...

    >
    > > Getting the memory limit changed is not a problem -- just ask
    > > your hosting provider.

    >
    > Well, this hosting provider was unwilling, they said it might cause
    > problems for other customers.
    >


    Hmmm, that always sounds to me like a 'We're not exactly sure what we're
    doing here, so we're going to play it safe' kind of answer. I've never
    had a problem with that. Maybe you need a new hosting provider?
    >
    > > but its output is by default a
    > > horrid mess of nested tables. I think you would need to edit the modules
    > > you are using to take out the <td class="contentheading"> type of thing
    > > and replace it with proper mark up. Strangely enough I was looking for
    > > just this very thing today and found this site which uses Mambo but with
    > > properly marked up output:
    > >
    > > <http://www.aurum3.com/>

    >
    > Somewhere on a forum I found a posting from someone who also told
    > about his efforts to make the output standard compliant and div-based
    > instead of tables. He said he mostly edited
    > components/com_content/content.html.php


    Thanks for that. The reason I know a little about this is because we're
    looking at Mambo as a possible solution, so I've been digging around.
    >
    > > As for the wysiwyg editor, it's TinyMCE -- isn't it installed by
    > > default? What version of Mambo were you looking at?

    >
    > 4.5.1, and no wysiwyg :-(
    >


    I'm sure it was packaged with the 4.5.1 I downloaded. You could always
    upgrade to 4.5.2.

    > > Mambo documentation appears to be almost non-existent, but there are
    > > plenty of sites with tutorials, for example here:
    > > <http://www.mamboportal.com/content/section/2/43/>

    >
    > thanks pete, I will look into that
    >

    There's also <http://tutorialcenter.net/Tutorials/> with free mambo
    tutorials.

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    Pete Gray, Mar 12, 2005
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  14. Deryck

    Kor Guest

    > > > As for the wysiwyg editor, it's TinyMCE -- isn't it installed by
    > > > default? What version of Mambo were you looking at?

    > >
    > > 4.5.1, and no wysiwyg :-(
    > >

    >
    > I'm sure it was packaged with the 4.5.1 I downloaded. You could always
    > upgrade to 4.5.2.


    I downloaded a tutorial from
    www.netshinesoftware.com/mambo-tutorial.html
    which explains that you have to turn the wysiwyg on manually. Go to
    Main admin menu - Mambots - Site Mambots
    and then check "No WYSIWYG Editor" (????) and "TinyMCE WYSIWYG
    Editor". When I do so, and click 'publish' this is not saved and still
    no wysiwyg.

    > There's also <http://tutorialcenter.net/Tutorials/> with free mambo
    > tutorials.


    Thanks, and I found this:
    www.mambosolutions.com/dw_tutorial
    www.mamboportal.com
    Kor, Mar 13, 2005
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