Who maintains ruby-talk?

Discussion in 'Ruby' started by Tony Arcieri, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Tony Arcieri

    Tony Arcieri Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
    vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.

    Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?

    --
    Tony Arcieri
    Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
     
    Tony Arcieri, Apr 14, 2010
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  2. Tony Arcieri wrote:
    > Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
    > vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
    >
    > Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?


    There are admin contact addresses here:
    http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/

    (While you're at it, you could ask for the broken link at the bottom of
    http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/
    which is supposed to point to "the manual way" to be fixed)
    --
    Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
     
    Brian Candler, Apr 14, 2010
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  3. 2010/4/14 Tony Arcieri <>:
    > Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
    > vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.


    Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?

    Kind regards

    robert


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    Robert Klemme, Apr 14, 2010
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  4. Just last week I was having problems managing my subscription via the
    list controller. When I tried the "manual way"
    (http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/)
    I couldn't get the bot to respond either. As a last resort I emailed
    the human administrator address () and
    got a response from Matz himself.

    Perhaps that's the problem. The list is being maintained by a person
    who most assuredly doesn't have time for it because he has much more
    important things to do!

    Michael

    --
    Michael Jackson
    http://mjijackson.com/
    @mjijackson



    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Tony Arcieri <> wrote:
    > Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
    > vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
    >
    > Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
    >
    > --
    > Tony Arcieri
    > Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
    >
     
    Michael Jackson, Apr 14, 2010
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  5. Tony Arcieri

    Rich McGrath Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    Maybe this mailing list might be better suited in a forum.

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Michael Jackson <>wrote:

    > Just last week I was having problems managing my subscription via the
    > list controller. When I tried the "manual way"
    > (http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions/)
    > I couldn't get the bot to respond either. As a last resort I emailed
    > the human administrator address () and
    > got a response from Matz himself.
    >
    > Perhaps that's the problem. The list is being maintained by a person
    > who most assuredly doesn't have time for it because he has much more
    > important things to do!
    >
    > Michael
    >
    > --
    > Michael Jackson
    > http://mjijackson.com/
    > @mjijackson
    >
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Tony Arcieri <>
    > wrote:
    > > Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
    > > vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
    > >
    > > Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
    > >
    > > --
    > > Tony Arcieri
    > > Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
    > >

    >
    >



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    Rich McGrath, Apr 14, 2010
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  6. Robert Klemme, Apr 14, 2010
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  7. Tony Arcieri

    Tony Arcieri Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme
    <>wrote:

    > Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
    >


    Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear the
    list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can warn/ban
    users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.

    --
    Tony Arcieri
    Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
     
    Tony Arcieri, Apr 14, 2010
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  8. Tony Arcieri

    Josh Cheek Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Tony Arcieri <>wrote:

    > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme
    > <>wrote:
    >
    > > Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
    > >

    >
    > Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear
    > the
    > list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can warn/ban
    > users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.
    >
    > --
    > Tony Arcieri
    > Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
    >


    You know, the Nazis had moderators, but they made the Jews wear them.

    Sorry, Office Space ^_^

    Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
    someone with the power to kick people off the list whenever the whim struck
    them. Between spam filters and community policing, I think this list is
    fine.
     
    Josh Cheek, Apr 14, 2010
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  9. Tony Arcieri wrote:
    > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Robert Klemme
    > <>wrote:
    >
    >> Did you just suggest that ruby-talk should become a moderated list?
    >>

    >
    > Yes, given the recent high volume of off-topic posts, I think it's clear
    > the
    > list is in need of a moderator, at the very least someone who can
    > warn/ban
    > users who make high volumes of off-topic posts.


    Tony,
    I need to disagree with you here. This idea makes the hair on my neck
    stand on end.
    --
    Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
     
    Aldric Giacomoni, Apr 14, 2010
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  10. A long time ago, (15.04.10), in a galaxy far, far away, Josh Cheek wrote:

    :=Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
    :=someone with the power to kick people off the list whenever the whim struck
    :=them. Between spam filters and community policing, I think this list is
    :=fine.

    It's gotten to an unusable space for me. I regularly delete all messages
    after scanning the subjects without reading them. Up until approximately a
    month ago I would actually read the majority of the posts to see what is
    posted as well as learn from example code posted by others. But given the
    recent spate of off-topic garbage the list has pretty much become unusable.

    I'm hopeful that something will change and the spammers/off-topic posts will
    go elsewhere, but would very much appreciate being able to have someone step
    in to stop the madness.

    --
    Dylan Northrup - - http://www.io.com/~docx/
    "Adversity is just change that we haven't adapted ourselves to yet."
    - Aimee Mullins
     
    Dylan Northrup, Apr 14, 2010
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  11. Tony Arcieri

    Tony Arcieri Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Josh Cheek <> wrote:

    > Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
    > someone with the power to kick people off the list



    For what it's worth, I've considered unsubscribing due to the high volume of
    off-topic email.

    --
    Tony Arcieri
    Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
     
    Tony Arcieri, Apr 14, 2010
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  12. Tony Arcieri

    Josh Cheek Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Dylan Northrup <> wrote:

    > It's gotten to an unusable space for me. I regularly delete all messages
    > after scanning the subjects without reading them. Up until approximately a
    > month ago I would actually read the majority of the posts to see what is
    > posted as well as learn from example code posted by others. But given the
    > recent spate of off-topic garbage the list has pretty much become unusable.
    >
    > I'm hopeful that something will change and the spammers/off-topic posts
    > will
    > go elsewhere, but would very much appreciate being able to have someone
    > step
    > in to stop the madness.
    >


    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tony Arcieri <>wrote:

    > For what it's worth, I've considered unsubscribing due to the high volume
    > of
    > off-topic email.
    >


    Perhaps I've missed something, I thought this was a reaction to Thunk, but
    he only posts in a few threads.

    I notice you both have email addresses from hosts I'm not familiar with,
    perhaps they don't group posts into threads, so you get hit with about ten
    times as many messages as I do. That would be frustrating.

    I still don't personally support moderation, but if most of the list does,
    then we should see what options we have.
     
    Josh Cheek, Apr 14, 2010
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  13. You should be died, Michael Jackson died long time ago.

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Michael Jackson [mailto:]=20
    Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:31 PM
    To: ruby-talk ML
    Subject: Re: Who maintains ruby-talk?

    Just last week I was having problems managing my subscription via the
    list controller. When I tried the "manual way"
    (http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/mailing-lists/manual-instructions
    /)
    I couldn't get the bot to respond either. As a last resort I emailed
    the human administrator address () and
    got a response from Matz himself.

    Perhaps that's the problem. The list is being maintained by a person
    who most assuredly doesn't have time for it because he has much more
    important things to do!

    Michael

    --
    Michael Jackson
    http://mjijackson.com/
    @mjijackson



    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Tony Arcieri <>
    wrote:
    > Among other things, the ruby-talk MLM is rampant with security
    > vulnerabilities, and in need of moderation.
    >
    > Is there actually a person in charge of ruby-talk?
    >
    > --
    > Tony Arcieri
    > Medioh! A Kudelski Brand
    >


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    Given Mahlangeni [HQP - Information Management], Apr 14, 2010
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  14. While the thunk phase's been pretty annoying it looks like now it's
    over. I suggest to wait a month or so and see if things get better: if
    not, then I'm all into taking actions against spam and OT.

    My 2c,

    --
    Andrea Dallera
    http://github.com/bolthar/freightrain
    http://usingimho.wordpress.com


    On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 01:15 +0900, Tony Arcieri wrote:
    > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Josh Cheek <> wrote:
    >
    > > Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
    > > someone with the power to kick people off the list

    >
    >
    > For what it's worth, I've considered unsubscribing due to the high volume of
    > off-topic email.
    >
     
    Andrea Dallera, Apr 14, 2010
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  15. Tony Arcieri

    Seebs Guest

    On 2010-04-14, Josh Cheek <> wrote:
    > Unless things got completely unusable, I'd much prefer if there wasn't
    > someone with the power to kick people off the list whenever the whim struck
    > them. Between spam filters and community policing, I think this list is
    > fine.


    Remember to distinguish between "power" and "authority".

    Right now, someone, somewhere, has the power to kick people off the list.
    The list runs somewhere; someone has the keys to that computer, and can
    modify anything on it.

    Realistically, you can either have some kind of moderation, or offer a free
    spam reflector service complete with malware delivery. I'd recommend
    the former.

    -s
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    Seebs, Apr 14, 2010
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  16. Tony Arcieri

    Seebs Guest

    On 2010-04-14, Josh Cheek <> wrote:
    > I notice you both have email addresses from hosts I'm not familiar with,
    > perhaps they don't group posts into threads, so you get hit with about ten
    > times as many messages as I do. That would be frustrating.


    Hosts are not what group posts into threads. Mail clients are.

    Ignoring the bandwidth cost because you don't see it is not totally rational.

    -s
    --
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    Seebs, Apr 14, 2010
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  17. Tony Arcieri

    jonty Guest

    I have just rescanned my ruby-talk inbox folder - I can't see any'off
    topic' threads,

    what do you mean by off-topic?

    There is a wide variety of discussions, many of which I feel free to
    ignore but because there is no further filtering I often find myself
    drawn in to an interesting discussion that improves my programming practice.

    Are you being a little narrow minded?
     
    jonty, Apr 14, 2010
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  18. Tony Arcieri

    Robert Dober Guest

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, jonty <> wrote:
    > I have just rescanned my ruby-talk inbox folder - I can't see any'off top=

    ic'
    > threads,
    >
    > what do you mean by off-topic?
    >
    > There is a wide variety of discussions, many of which I feel free to igno=

    re
    > but because there is no further filtering I often find myself drawn in to=

    an
    > interesting discussion that improves my programming practice.
    >
    > Are you being a little narrow minded?
    >
    >

    I feel that you are unfair here, it might come as a surprise to some
    but I am actually with Tony here. Kind of self protection, because in
    a free list it is me who has to decide if someone is a troll, in
    distress or not. Sometimes I also decide to make a joke because I
    feel the list is just boring. If it were moderated I would not need to
    make those decisions, in the first place and I would not see gross
    language anymore neither.
    Ok I agree that we will lose something, but maybe this something
    should be elsewhere.
    As a poster and quite nonconformist I will always step on some folk's
    toe. If there were a moderator I probably could not.
    But I am very much interested in arguments here, maybe I idealize what
    I do not really know: A moderated list.
    Thaughts?
    Cheers
    R.



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    Robert Dober, Apr 14, 2010
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  19. Tony Arcieri

    Robert Dober Guest

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Robert Dober <> wrote:
    Oh BTW, sorry for reposting, but wouldn't there be a possibility of
    eating our cake *and* having it?
    I was thinking about a moderated sublist generated by some humble
    "moderator" who would act as a filter?

    R.
     
    Robert Dober, Apr 14, 2010
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  20. Tony Arcieri

    Josh Cheek Guest

    [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

    On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Seebs <> wrote:

    > On 2010-04-14, Josh Cheek <> wrote:
    > > I notice you both have email addresses from hosts I'm not familiar with,
    > > perhaps they don't group posts into threads, so you get hit with about

    > ten
    > > times as many messages as I do. That would be frustrating.

    >
    > Hosts are not what group posts into threads. Mail clients are.
    >


    Sorry, I do my email online, so used the wrong terminology. I just mean that
    gmail will take 50 posts about ruids, and group them all together in a
    single thread, so it doesn't spam my inbox. It also filters the threads out
    and sets them in their own separate area, so they never touch my inbox at
    all. If your _client_ ;) didn't do this, I can see how the list could spam
    your inbox. Or maybe we're talking about something other than lots of long
    posts about boids and ruids in a small number of threads? If so, I think the
    people calling for moderation need to clarify specifically what their issue
    is.

    Ignoring the bandwidth cost because you don't see it is not totally
    > rational.
    >
    >

    Is email bandwidth even an issue these days? I stream all of my music, all
    day. Pretty sure one minute of streaming music exceeds an entire month's
    worth of emails (assuming no attachments). Though it's not an issue if you
    do it online, anyway, because the emails just sit on a server somewhere,
    they wouldn't affect bandwidth unless you went to view them.
     
    Josh Cheek, Apr 14, 2010
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