Why is <pre> not working??

Discussion in 'HTML' started by techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006.

  1. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    Collective Wisdom:

    I'm designing a page to give people a block of source code:

    http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html

    However, for some reason which I cannot determine, the <pre> </pre>
    function isn't working, and the graphic is showing up.

    Why is this, and how can I fix it?

    Many thanks!
    Connie
    techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006
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  2. On 2006-10-09, techfiddle wrote:
    > Collective Wisdom:
    >
    > I'm designing a page to give people a block of source code:
    >
    > http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html
    >
    > However, for some reason which I cannot determine, the <pre> </pre>
    > function isn't working, and the graphic is showing up.
    >
    > Why is this, and how can I fix it?


    In a <pre> element, tags are parse as such. Change '<' to '&lt;'
    and ampersands to '&amp;'. (Do not include the single quotes.)

    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Oct 9, 2006
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  3. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    > In a <pre> element, tags are parse as such. Change '<' to '&lt;'
    > and ampersands to '&amp;'. (Do not include the single quotes.)



    Chris, thank you for responding to this. I'm really not following you.

    I changed the chevrons to &lt and the ampersand to &amp;

    that didn't fix it.
    techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006
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  4. techfiddle wrote:

    >> In a <pre> element, tags are parse as such. Change '<' to '&lt;' and
    >> ampersands to '&amp;'. (Do not include the single quotes.)

    >
    > Chris, thank you for responding to this. I'm really not following
    > you.
    >
    > I changed the chevrons to &lt and the ampersand to &amp;
    > that didn't fix it.


    Not these: [quote:] &lt;pre&amp;

    All the ones *in between* <pre> and </pre>

    For conformity, you should also change the > to &gt;
    so you have matching pairs. Not required, but a good idea.

    --
    -bts
    -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Oct 9, 2006
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  5. techfiddle

    Andrew Guest

    On 8 Oct 2006 17:35:19 -0700, "techfiddle"
    <> wrote:

    >> In a <pre> element, tags are parse as such. Change '<' to '&lt;'
    >> and ampersands to '&amp;'. (Do not include the single quotes.)

    >
    >
    >Chris, thank you for responding to this. I'm really not following you.
    >
    >I changed the chevrons to &lt and the ampersand to &amp;
    >
    >that didn't fix it.


    Hi,

    Looks like you have fixed it. Just a small point but do you really
    need the <br> tags in your <pre> </pre> element?

    All the best!

    Andrew.
    --

    Andrew
    http://www.andrews-corner.org/
    Andrew, Oct 9, 2006
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  6. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    Hi Andrew:

    I appreciate everyone's help so much! Yeah, regarding the <br> tags,
    the text was flowing over into the right side too much, but no, I need
    to remove them. And that "dot" between TOC and JOIN is really not
    right yet.



    Andrew wrote:
    > On 8 Oct 2006 17:35:19 -0700, "techfiddle"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >> In a <pre> element, tags are parse as such. Change '<' to '&lt;'
    > >> and ampersands to '&amp;'. (Do not include the single quotes.)

    > >
    > >
    > >Chris, thank you for responding to this. I'm really not following you.
    > >
    > >I changed the chevrons to &lt and the ampersand to &amp;
    > >
    > >that didn't fix it.

    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > Looks like you have fixed it. Just a small point but do you really
    > need the <br> tags in your <pre> </pre> element?
    >
    > All the best!
    >
    > Andrew.
    > --
    >
    > Andrew
    > http://www.andrews-corner.org/
    techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006
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  7. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    Thank you so much!

    Does anyone know if there is a better way of doing the bullet besides:



    that's just showing as a bullet, and my guess is it will show as weird
    junk on other people's pages..??

    Thanks!

    (When did the <pre> thing change? It always worked before. I tried it
    in two browsers and it woudln't work...)
    techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006
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  8. techfiddle wrote:

    > (When did the <pre> thing change? It always worked before. I tried it
    > in two browsers and it woudln't work...)


    Do you mean in regards to the < and the &lt; ?

    Never. If you desire to show HTML source as content, you have always
    needed to change them. Within a <pre> or not.

    --
    -bts
    -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Oct 9, 2006
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  9. Scripsit techfiddle:

    > Does anyone know if there is a better way of doing the bullet besides:
    >
    > •
    >
    > that's just showing as a bullet, and my guess is it will show as weird
    > junk on other people's pages..??


    You still haven't understood the principle of encoding "&".

    The whole "webring" stuff is weird junk.

    As I've often said, people who need to ask about such an elementary thing as
    "how do I show HTML code visibly on my page" aren't competent to give others
    advice on HTML coding, by showing HTML code that others should put on their
    pages. The code you are promoting isn't still even syntactically correct -
    you are telling people to use the undefined entity reference &body, and you
    _still_ have unescaped "<" characters.

    But to answer the question you asked, instead of the questions you should
    have asked before you got started: Some people would say that &bull; is more
    mnemonic, and others remind that some old browsers don't understand it. You
    can also "do the bullet" by inserting the bullet character as data,
    naturally provided that the encoding of the document allows that.

    > (When did the <pre> thing change? It always worked before. I tried
    > it in two browsers and it woudln't work...)


    This also tells that your knowledge of HTML is far too limited to make you
    competent to tell others what they should put into their HTML code. There
    was never any change in <pre> behavior in recognizing tags inside the
    element; you are simply mistaken.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Jukka K. Korpela, Oct 9, 2006
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  10. techfiddle

    Andy Dingley Guest

    Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

    > This also tells that your knowledge of HTML is far too limited to make you
    > competent to tell others what they should put into their HTML code.


    The OP isn't claiming to be an authority on HTML,
    they're claiming to be an authority on the violin webring.

    The fundamental guiding principles of the web are these:

    2. Some technical stuff.
    1. Easy access to publishing.

    Now your point is a good one as regards #2. The idea of some of the
    nearby posters updating their "web authoring guides" is indeed
    horrible. But what do we do about #1 ? Are _you_ ever going to have
    time to post joining instructions for the violin webring? Otherwise
    are you really advocating that the violin webring should be abandoned
    because there's no-one connected with it sufficiently skilled in HTML
    minutiae to describe it perfectly? The rainbow ruler GIF and animated
    under construction banners were some terrible old sites in technical
    terms, but I'd rather see them around than have an empty gap because
    there's no-one "sufficiently certified" and also with the interest in
    violins to build their pages.

    To the OP - your page isn't perfect, but even an imperfect page is
    always better than nothing. Stay tuned and maybe someone will continue
    to assist you getting it spot-on.
    Andy Dingley, Oct 9, 2006
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  11. techfiddle

    Andy Dingley Guest

    techfiddle wrote:

    > I'm designing a page to give people a block of source code:
    > http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html


    Try this, with the following provisos

    #1 - You're hosted with Geocities. Their hosting changes pages that
    you upload, sufficient to make a mockery of any serious web design. If
    you care about web design, you just can't host with Geocities.

    #2 - I've hacked the middle of this page around to make it workable
    and valid. I haven't fixed the whole page and I haven't made it perfect
    - there's still 3.2 code in there, but it's not really harmful.

    # 3 I'm posting the changed fragment via Usenet for discussion, but I
    don't know how much damage it will suffer in transit so I've also
    uplaoded it it to the web here
    http://codesmiths.com/dingbat/lj/violin/violinwebringcode.html

    I hope this is helpful to you - please post with any further questions.



    <p>In order to join the ring you will need two elements: the graphic
    image and the block of source code.</p>

    <ul>

    <li>
    <h3>Image:</h3>
    <p>Save the image to your web site.
    <br>You may find that your browser allows you to right-click on the
    image and use "Save As" or "Save Image As":
    <center><img src="viulu1.gif" alt="Logo for the Violin Webring"
    title="Logo for the Violin Webring" ></center>
    </li>

    <li>
    <h3>Source Code:</h3>

    <p>Copy and paste the following into your web page:

    <pre style="padding: 1em; margin: 1em; border: thin solid black;
    background-color: #eeeeee; color: #000; overflow: scroll;" >
    &lt;!-- Begin ViolinWebRing code --&gt;


    &lt;div style="margin: 1em auto; padding: 1em; border: thick ridge;
    width: 14em;" &gt;

    &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/TOC.html"
    title="View the current members of the Violin Webring"
    >&lt;img src="viulu1.gif" alt="Violin WebRing" style="border:

    none;" &gt;
    &lt;br&gt;ToC&lt;/a&gt;
    &amp;bull;
    &lt;a style="font-weight: bold; text-transform: uppercase;"

    href="mailto:cmsunday&amp;#64;alumni.rice.edu?subject=Request%20to%20join%20Connie's%20Violin%20WebRing%20-%20Affiliate%20Sites&amp;amp;body=In%20order%20to%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20you%20must%20add%20a%20block%20of%20code%20and%20a%20graphic%20to%20your%20site.%20Instructions%20for%20doing%20this%20are%20located%20at:%20%20http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html.%20When%20you%20have%20added%20the%20graphics%20to%20your%20page(s),%20please%20send%20me%20the%20following:%0A%0a%20(a)%20Name%20of%20your%20webpage;%20and%0A%0A%20(b)%20URL%20to%20your%20webpage.%20%0A%0aYou%20will%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20(TOC)%20as%20soon%20as%20the%20source%20code%20is%20added%20to%20your%20page.%20%0A%0aThank%20you!"
    title="Join the Violin Webring"
    &gt;Join&lt;/a&gt;
    &lt;/div&gt;

    &lt;!-- End VioinWebring code --&gt;
    </pre>
    </li>

    </ul>

    <p>Together they will look like this:

    <div align="center" >

    <!-- Begin ViolinWebRing code -->
    <div style="margin: 1em auto; padding: 1em; border: thick ridge; width:
    14em;" >

    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/TOC.html"
    title="View the current members of the Violin Webring"
    ><img src="viulu1.gif" alt="Violin WebRing" style="border: none;" >

    <br>ToC</a>
    &bull;
    <a

    href="mailto:?subject=Request%20to%20join%20Connie's%20Violin%20WebRing%20-%20Affiliate%20Sites&amp;body=In%20order%20to%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20you%20must%20add%20a%20block%20of%20code%20and%20a%20graphic%20to%20your%20site.%20Instructions%20for%20doing%20this%20are%20located%20at:%20%20http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html.%20When%20you%20have%20added%20the%20graphics%20to%20your%20page(s),%20please%20send%20me%20the%20following:%0A%0a%20(a)%20Name%20of%20your%20webpage;%20and%0A%0A%20(b)%20URL%20to%20your%20webpage.%20%0A%0aYou%20will%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20(TOC)%20as%20soon%20as%20the%20source%20code%20is%20added%20to%20your%20page.%20%0A%0aThank%20you!"
    style="font-weight: bold; text-transform: uppercase;"
    title="Join the Violin Webring"
    >Join</a>

    </div>
    <!-- End VioinWebring code -->


    </div></pre>

    <p>Please <a href="mailto:">write me</a> if
    I can be of assistance.
    <br>Thanks!
    <br>Connie
    </p>
    Andy Dingley, Oct 9, 2006
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  12. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    Thanks, Andy! Whether the topic is violin pedagogy (which I do
    actually know something about), or Aikido, or gardening, or html, there
    are always nice people, like you, that recognize the humanity in the
    efforts of others, and then not-so-nice people, who make negative,
    abusive remarks. In the case of the later, all that shows is their
    lack of maturity, since they have a need to denigrate other people,
    presumably, one supposes, to feel better about themselves. This is
    always so obvious it's not worth commenting on.

    Thanks again,
    Connie




    Andy Dingley wrote:
    > Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    >
    > > This also tells that your knowledge of HTML is far too limited to make you
    > > competent to tell others what they should put into their HTML code.

    >
    > The OP isn't claiming to be an authority on HTML,
    > they're claiming to be an authority on the violin webring.
    >
    > The fundamental guiding principles of the web are these:
    >
    > 2. Some technical stuff.
    > 1. Easy access to publishing.
    >
    > Now your point is a good one as regards #2. The idea of some of the
    > nearby posters updating their "web authoring guides" is indeed
    > horrible. But what do we do about #1 ? Are _you_ ever going to have
    > time to post joining instructions for the violin webring? Otherwise
    > are you really advocating that the violin webring should be abandoned
    > because there's no-one connected with it sufficiently skilled in HTML
    > minutiae to describe it perfectly? The rainbow ruler GIF and animated
    > under construction banners were some terrible old sites in technical
    > terms, but I'd rather see them around than have an empty gap because
    > there's no-one "sufficiently certified" and also with the interest in
    > violins to build their pages.
    >
    > To the OP - your page isn't perfect, but even an imperfect page is
    > always better than nothing. Stay tuned and maybe someone will continue
    > to assist you getting it spot-on.
    techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006
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  13. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    Wow. THat is so increedibly beautiful. Thank you. Yeah, I'm in a
    doctoral program in music, but very tempted to go over to the art
    department and do their Design Communication program so I can update my
    skills. There's just not time to do everything one wants, is there?

    I've replaced my efforts with yours at:
    http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html

    Thank you so much!
    Connie




    Andy Dingley wrote:
    > techfiddle wrote:
    >
    > > I'm designing a page to give people a block of source code:
    > > http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html

    >
    > Try this, with the following provisos
    >
    > #1 - You're hosted with Geocities. Their hosting changes pages that
    > you upload, sufficient to make a mockery of any serious web design. If
    > you care about web design, you just can't host with Geocities.
    >
    > #2 - I've hacked the middle of this page around to make it workable
    > and valid. I haven't fixed the whole page and I haven't made it perfect
    > - there's still 3.2 code in there, but it's not really harmful.
    >
    > # 3 I'm posting the changed fragment via Usenet for discussion, but I
    > don't know how much damage it will suffer in transit so I've also
    > uplaoded it it to the web here
    > http://codesmiths.com/dingbat/lj/violin/violinwebringcode.html
    >
    > I hope this is helpful to you - please post with any further questions.
    >
    >
    >
    > <p>In order to join the ring you will need two elements: the graphic
    > image and the block of source code.</p>
    >
    > <ul>
    >
    > <li>
    > <h3>Image:</h3>
    > <p>Save the image to your web site.
    > <br>You may find that your browser allows you to right-click on the
    > image and use "Save As" or "Save Image As":
    > <center><img src="viulu1.gif" alt="Logo for the Violin Webring"
    > title="Logo for the Violin Webring" ></center>
    > </li>
    >
    > <li>
    > <h3>Source Code:</h3>
    >
    > <p>Copy and paste the following into your web page:
    >
    > <pre style="padding: 1em; margin: 1em; border: thin solid black;
    > background-color: #eeeeee; color: #000; overflow: scroll;" >
    > &lt;!-- Begin ViolinWebRing code --&gt;
    >
    >
    > &lt;div style="margin: 1em auto; padding: 1em; border: thick ridge;
    > width: 14em;" &gt;
    >
    > &lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/TOC.html"
    > title="View the current members of the Violin Webring"
    > >&lt;img src="viulu1.gif" alt="Violin WebRing" style="border:

    > none;" &gt;
    > &lt;br&gt;ToC&lt;/a&gt;
    > &amp;bull;
    > &lt;a style="font-weight: bold; text-transform: uppercase;"
    >
    > href="mailto:cmsunday&amp;#64;alumni.rice.edu?subject=Request%20to%20join%20Connie's%20Violin%20WebRing%20-%20Affiliate%20Sites&amp;amp;body=In%20order%20to%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20you%20must%20add%20a%20block%20of%20code%20and%20a%20graphic%20to%20your%20site.%20Instructions%20for%20doing%20this%20are%20located%20at:%20%20http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html.%20When%20you%20have%20added%20the%20graphics%20to%20your%20page(s),%20please%20send%20me%20the%20following:%0A%0a%20(a)%20Name%20of%20your%20webpage;%20and%0A%0A%20(b)%20URL%20to%20your%20webpage.%20%0A%0aYou%20will%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20(TOC)%20as%20soon%20as%20the%20source%20code%20is%20added%20to%20your%20page.%20%0A%0aThank%20you!"
    > title="Join the Violin Webring"
    > &gt;Join&lt;/a&gt;
    > &lt;/div&gt;
    >
    > &lt;!-- End VioinWebring code --&gt;
    > </pre>
    > </li>
    >
    > </ul>
    >
    > <p>Together they will look like this:
    >
    > <div align="center" >
    >
    > <!-- Begin ViolinWebRing code -->
    > <div style="margin: 1em auto; padding: 1em; border: thick ridge; width:
    > 14em;" >
    >
    > <a href="http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/TOC.html"
    > title="View the current members of the Violin Webring"
    > ><img src="viulu1.gif" alt="Violin WebRing" style="border: none;" >

    > <br>ToC</a>
    > &bull;
    > <a
    >
    > href="mailto:?subject=Request%20to%20join%20Connie's%20Violin%20WebRing%20-%20Affiliate%20Sites&amp;body=In%20order%20to%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20you%20must%20add%20a%20block%20of%20code%20and%20a%20graphic%20to%20your%20site.%20Instructions%20for%20doing%20this%20are%20located%20at:%20%20http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/violinwebringcode.html.%20When%20you%20have%20added%20the%20graphics%20to%20your%20page(s),%20please%20send%20me%20the%20following:%0A%0a%20(a)%20Name%20of%20your%20webpage;%20and%0A%0A%20(b)%20URL%20to%20your%20webpage.%20%0A%0aYou%20will%20be%20added%20to%20the%20Affiliated%20Pages%20(TOC)%20as%20soon%20as%20the%20source%20code%20is%20added%20to%20your%20page.%20%0A%0aThank%20you!"
    > style="font-weight: bold; text-transform: uppercase;"
    > title="Join the Violin Webring"
    > >Join</a>

    > </div>
    > <!-- End VioinWebring code -->
    >
    >
    > </div></pre>
    >
    > <p>Please <a href="mailto:">write me</a> if
    > I can be of assistance.
    > <br>Thanks!
    > <br>Connie
    > </p>
    techfiddle, Oct 9, 2006
    #13
  14. Scripsit Andy Dingley:

    > The OP isn't claiming to be an authority on HTML,


    He/she/it was giving advice to others on using HTML.

    > they're claiming to be an authority on the violin webring.


    Please excuse me while I laugh my ass off.

    > even an imperfect page is
    > always better than nothing.


    You haven't been around the web much, have you? Or you just refuse to think
    of the reality.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Jukka K. Korpela, Oct 9, 2006
    #14
  15. Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    > Scripsit Andy Dingley:
    >
    >> The OP isn't claiming to be an authority on HTML,

    >
    > He/she/it was giving advice to others on using HTML.


    He was trying to give them a single chunk of HTML to use for a single
    purpose, he wasn't giving them a seminar on proper HTML construction.
    That doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out to him that the code isn't
    good, but that's beside the point.
    Harlan Messinger, Oct 10, 2006
    #15
  16. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    HEY!! I'm not a "he" or an "it": I'm a SHE. [See:
    http://www.geocities.com/conniesunday/ ]

    If someone were interested in taking violin or viola lessons,(as
    happens pretty much daily to me) how would you feel if I talked to you
    as if you were a complete, blithering idiot, lucky that I even deign to
    speak to you? Not very professional, not to mention unkind and
    counterproductive and unprofessional. (Do you get paid for what you
    do? -- I do. Substantially)

    Everybody can't be an expert at everything. Can you play Brahms or
    write chamber music or teach children to play an instrument? Do you
    have a broad knowledge base in western art music, art, and literature?
    Do you read several languages and do research in all of them? (I
    suspect my Finnish friend will say yes, but his writing in English is a
    bit stiff and stuffy.) You can't be a Renaissance person if you prize
    your own discipline and denigrate all the others.

    Connie (female person )


    Harlan Messinger wrote:
    > Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    > > Scripsit Andy Dingley:
    > >
    > >> The OP isn't claiming to be an authority on HTML,

    > >
    > > He/she/it was giving advice to others on using HTML.

    >
    > He was trying to give them a single chunk of HTML to use for a single
    > purpose, he wasn't giving them a seminar on proper HTML construction.
    > That doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out to him that the code isn't
    > good, but that's beside the point.
    techfiddle, Oct 10, 2006
    #16
  17. techfiddle wrote:
    > HEY!! I'm not a "he" or an "it": I'm a SHE. [See:
    > http://www.geocities.com/conniesunday/ ]


    And I'm a non-psychic. Sorry.

    > If someone were interested in taking violin or viola lessons,(as
    > happens pretty much daily to me) how would you feel if I talked to you
    > as if you were a complete, blithering idiot, lucky that I even deign to
    > speak to you? Not very professional, not to mention unkind and
    > counterproductive and unprofessional. (Do you get paid for what you
    > do? -- I do. Substantially)


    Why are you talking to me this way? I was defending you.
    Harlan Messinger, Oct 10, 2006
    #17
  18. techfiddle

    dorayme Guest

    In article
    <>,
    "techfiddle" <> wrote:

    > HEY!! I'm not a "he" or an "it": I'm a SHE. [See:
    > http://www.geocities.com/conniesunday/ ]
    >
    > If someone were interested in taking violin or viola lessons,(as
    > happens pretty much daily to me) how would you feel if I talked to you
    > as if you were a complete, blithering idiot, lucky that I even deign to
    > speak to you? Not very professional, not to mention unkind and
    > counterproductive and unprofessional. (Do you get paid for what you
    > do? -- I do. Substantially)
    >
    > Everybody can't be an expert at everything. Can you play Brahms or
    > write chamber music or teach children to play an instrument? Do you
    > have a broad knowledge base in western art music, art, and literature?
    > Do you read several languages and do research in all of them? (I
    > suspect my Finnish friend will say yes, but his writing in English is a
    > bit stiff and stuffy.) You can't be a Renaissance person if you prize
    > your own discipline and denigrate all the others.
    >
    > Connie (female person )
    >
    >
    > Harlan Messinger wrote:
    > > Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
    > > > Scripsit Andy Dingley:
    > > >
    > > >> The OP isn't claiming to be an authority on HTML,
    > > >
    > > > He/she/it was giving advice to others on using HTML.

    > >
    > > He was trying to give them a single chunk of HTML to use for a single
    > > purpose, he wasn't giving them a seminar on proper HTML construction.
    > > That doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out to him that the code isn't
    > > good, but that's beside the point.



    Actually, poor old Harlem was not treating you bad. She meant
    only to give old Korpela a ... ahem ... small correction. And
    never said you were an it.

    I am an it. The only one here. Everyone else is happily a he or a
    she. "He" is often and (in an old fashioned conventional English
    way) meant to be strictly neutral as to the sex. But it does not
    include any implication of itness. True, you are a thing, just
    like everything else. But Harlem, at least, made no further
    implications.

    Being something, I would like to object to your thingism, what
    have you got against things, why put things down so? Why
    discriminate against things. I like things.

    I suspect you have become disoriented (or are giving a wrong
    impression) by your method of posting, best not to top post. And
    understandably furious.

    (btw, how much is substantial re your earnings? want to make even
    more, to invest in some idea I had last night (and the night
    before, and the night before that...) Absolute winners with the
    right capital behind them!

    :)

    --
    dorayme
    dorayme, Oct 10, 2006
    #18
  19. techfiddle

    techfiddle Guest

    Harlan Messinger wrote:
    > Why are you talking to me this way? I was defending you.


    Not talking about you; my complaint is against Jukka.
    techfiddle, Oct 11, 2006
    #19
  20. Scripsit Harlan Messinger:

    > techfiddle wrote:

    - -
    > Why are you talking to me this way?


    Fvzcyr pyhryrffarff. Qb lbh abj trg zl cbvag?

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
    Jukka K. Korpela, Oct 11, 2006
    #20
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