Why just this group?

Discussion in 'Javascript' started by Tony Mountifield, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.

    Cheers
    Tony
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    Tony Mountifield, Dec 12, 2011
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  2. Tony Mountifield

    Evertjan. Guest

    Tony Mountifield wrote on 12 dec 2011 in comp.lang.javascript:

    > I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    > javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    > that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    > why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.


    This is usenet, I don't know what NGs you mean by 'Web/DB kind'.
    You cannot subscribe to a usenet group, only order your reader to read it.

    I never see spam on this NG, but then I block google group mail here and
    heve some aditional filtering done.


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    Evertjan., Dec 12, 2011
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    Tim Streater Guest

    In article <jc5rht$6nu$>,
    (Tony Mountifield) wrote:

    > I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    > javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    > that appears to have this perennial problem with spam.


    What spam?

    --
    Tim

    "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
    nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
     
    Tim Streater, Dec 12, 2011
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  4. On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:57:41 +1100, Andrew Poulos wrote:

    >My conspiracy theory is that its one of the more popular js library
    >fanbois work ;-)


    That would be a huge compliment. It would indicate that we are
    in the right place.

    By the way, this is not really much spam. Even if you don't
    filter, it takes only seconds to delete by hand.

    Hans-Georg
     
    Hans-Georg Michna, Dec 12, 2011
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  5. Tony Mountifield

    Tim Streater Guest

    In article <>,
    Andrew Poulos <> wrote:

    > On 13/12/2011 8:48 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
    > > In article <jc5rht$6nu$>,
    > > (Tony Mountifield) wrote:
    > >
    > >> I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    > >> javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    > >> that appears to have this perennial problem with spam.

    > >
    > > What spam?

    >
    > This group gets tonnes of spam posting per day, every day. Just because
    > you're filtering it doesn't mean its not happening.


    I'm filtering next to nothing. Hmm, OK, disabled my filters altogether.
    Let's see if I get anything at all spamwise.

    --
    Tim

    "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
    nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
     
    Tim Streater, Dec 12, 2011
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  6. Tony Mountifield

    Lewis Perin Guest

    (Tony Mountifield) writes:

    >I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    >javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    >that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    >why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.


    Maybe it’s because in the USA “script†is short for “prescriptionâ€. The
    spammers here are mostly hawking drugs, after all...

    /Lew
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    http://babelcarp.org
     
    Lewis Perin, Dec 12, 2011
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  7. Tony Mountifield wrote:

    > I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    > javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    > that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    > why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.


    This is a FAQ (more like a FFQ). There are several reasons for the spam,
    *none* of which is on-topic here (so you should *not* have asked *here*).

    One has been named. Another is that even without the spam this is or at
    least has been a high-traffic group. Third, JavaScript, and ECMAScript
    implementations in general, have become a "household topic" among software
    developers. Spammers post where they suspect the most attention.


    F'up2 poster

    PointedEars
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    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, Dec 12, 2011
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  8. Tony Mountifield

    RobG Guest

    On Dec 13, 7:42 am, "Evertjan." <> wrote:
    [...]
    > You cannot subscribe to a usenet group, only order your reader to read it..


    Perhaps your news reader doesn't call that subscribing, but some (e.g.
    Thunderbird) do.


    --
    Rob
     
    RobG, Dec 13, 2011
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  9. In article <>,
    Hans-Georg Michna <> wrote:
    > On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:57:41 +1100, Andrew Poulos wrote:
    >
    > >My conspiracy theory is that its one of the more popular js library
    > >fanbois work ;-)

    >
    > That would be a huge compliment. It would indicate that we are
    > in the right place.
    >
    > By the way, this is not really much spam. Even if you don't
    > filter, it takes only seconds to delete by hand.


    Indeed, that's what I do, but I was just curious why this was the only
    group in which I needed to do so.

    Cheers
    Tony
    --
    Tony Mountifield
    Work: - http://www.softins.co.uk
    Play: - http://tony.mountifield.org
     
    Tony Mountifield, Dec 13, 2011
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  10. In article <>,
    Lewis Perin <> wrote:
    > (Tony Mountifield) writes:
    >
    > >I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    > >javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    > >that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    > >why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.

    >
    > Maybe it's because in the USA 'script' is short for 'prescription'. The
    > spammers here are mostly hawking drugs, after all...


    That sounds a plausible reason, although I wish someone would give them
    a better regular expression!

    Cheers
    Tony
    --
    Tony Mountifield
    Work: - http://www.softins.co.uk
    Play: - http://tony.mountifield.org
     
    Tony Mountifield, Dec 13, 2011
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  11. In article <>,
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <> wrote:
    > Tony Mountifield wrote:
    >
    > > I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    > > javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    > > that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    > > why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.

    >
    > This is a FAQ (more like a FFQ). There are several reasons for the spam,
    > *none* of which is on-topic here (so you should *not* have asked *here*).


    Danke für den ernsten Rat!

    > One has been named. Another is that even without the spam this is or at
    > least has been a high-traffic group. Third, JavaScript, and ECMAScript
    > implementations in general, have become a "household topic" among software
    > developers. Spammers post where they suspect the most attention.


    If that were the case, I would expect to see at least some in other high-
    traffic groups. I'm glad I don't.

    Cheers
    Tony
    --
    Tony Mountifield
    Work: - http://www.softins.co.uk
    Play: - http://tony.mountifield.org
     
    Tony Mountifield, Dec 13, 2011
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  12. Tony Mountifield

    Tim Streater Guest

    In article <jc78l5$pj9$>,
    (Tony Mountifield) wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Hans-Georg Michna <> wrote:
    > > On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:57:41 +1100, Andrew Poulos wrote:
    > >
    > > >My conspiracy theory is that its one of the more popular js library
    > > >fanbois work ;-)

    > >
    > > That would be a huge compliment. It would indicate that we are
    > > in the right place.
    > >
    > > By the way, this is not really much spam. Even if you don't
    > > filter, it takes only seconds to delete by hand.

    >
    > Indeed, that's what I do, but I was just curious why this was the only
    > group in which I needed to do so.


    Has there been any spam in the last 12 hours since I disabled my
    filters? I haven't seen any.

    --
    Tim

    "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
    nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
     
    Tim Streater, Dec 13, 2011
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  13. On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:42:58 +0000, Evertjan. wrote:

    > Tony Mountifield wrote on 12 dec 2011 in comp.lang.javascript:
    >
    >> I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    >> javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only
    >> comp.lang.javascript that appears to have this perennial problem with
    >> spam. Just wondering why this group gets picked on, while the others
    >> are generally clean.


    I think it's because the group name contains the string "script" which is
    used as a shorthand for "prescription" in some parts of the world.

    > This is usenet, I don't know what NGs you mean by 'Web/DB kind'. You
    > cannot subscribe to a usenet group, only order your reader to read it.


    Nevertheless, the commands many usenet newsreaders such as pan,
    thunderbird, agent etc use to start / stop monitoring the content of a
    group are "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" and the trm is IMO in common use
    in that context.

    > I never see spam on this NG, but then I block google group mail here and
    > heve some aditional filtering done.


    I alas still see the odd one or two, but then I don't automatically
    exclude google groups posters, although I have a long and growing list of
    medicine names that I do filter on.

    Rgds

    Denis McMahon
     
    Denis McMahon, Dec 13, 2011
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  14. On Dec 13, 10:27 am, Tony Mountifield wrote:
    > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    <snip>
    >> One has been named. Another is that even without the spam this
    >> is or at least has been a high-traffic group. Third, JavaScript,
    >> and ECMAScript implementations in general, have become a
    >> "household topic" among software developers. Spammers post where
    >> they suspect the most attention.

    >
    > If that were the case, I would expect to see at least some in other
    > high-traffic groups. I'm glad I don't.


    The group's traffic levels are unlikely to be a significant factor as
    we are not the intended audience for this spam. Apart from having
    "script" in the name of the group the other factor that is likely to
    be important is the degree to which content from this group is made
    available on various (mostly web development related) web sites. These
    spams are a trap for people using search engines to find cheap or
    dubious drug suppliers and posting to Usenet, as such, would not help
    with that.

    Richard.
     
    Richard Cornford, Dec 13, 2011
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  15. Tony Mountifield

    Evertjan. Guest

    Denis McMahon wrote on 13 dec 2011 in comp.lang.javascript:

    > On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:42:58 +0000, Evertjan. wrote:
    >
    >> Tony Mountifield wrote on 12 dec 2011 in comp.lang.javascript:
    >>
    >>> I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php,
    >>> perl, javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only
    >>> comp.lang.javascript that appears to have this perennial problem
    >>> with spam. Just wondering why this group gets picked on, while the
    >>> others are generally clean.

    >
    > I think it's because the group name contains the string "script" which
    > is used as a shorthand for "prescription" in some parts of the world.


    Could very well be true, any idea of testing for this?

    Renaming this group seems not very practical.

    >> This is usenet, I don't know what NGs you mean by 'Web/DB kind'. You
    >> cannot subscribe to a usenet group, only order your reader to read
    >> it.

    >
    > Nevertheless, the commands many usenet newsreaders such as pan,
    > thunderbird, agent etc use to start / stop monitoring the content of a
    > group are "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" and the trm is IMO in common
    > use in that context.


    Ain't it silly?

    >> I never see spam on this NG, but then I block google group mail here
    >> and heve some aditional filtering done.

    >
    > I alas still see the odd one or two, but then I don't automatically
    > exclude google groups posters, although I have a long and growing list
    > of medicine names that I do filter on.


    I feel vey happy not knowing what I am missing, silly me.


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    Evertjan.
    The Netherlands.
    (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
     
    Evertjan., Dec 13, 2011
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  16. Tony Mountifield

    Arno Welzel Guest

    Andrew Poulos, 2011-12-12 22:57:

    > On 13/12/2011 8:48 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
    >> In article <jc5rht$6nu$>,
    >> (Tony Mountifield) wrote:
    >>
    >>> I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    >>> javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    >>> that appears to have this perennial problem with spam.

    >>
    >> What spam?

    >
    > This group gets tonnes of spam posting per day, every day. Just because
    > you're filtering it doesn't mean its not happening.


    I don't see "tons of spam" here (but i did a few weeks/months ago).
    Maybe the sever i use, does filtering on its own.


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    Arno Welzel, Dec 13, 2011
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  17. Tony Mountifield

    Swifty Guest

    On 13 Dec 2011 11:43:42 GMT, Denis McMahon <>
    wrote:

    >I have a long and growing list of medicine names that I do filter on.


    As do I. Perhaps we should share?

    I wrote a tiny program, called "spam" and when I issue the command
    "spam viagra" it tells me how often I have entered the name "viagra"
    and over what period of days.

    When anything reaches a count of 3, it goes in my filter.

    It always struck me as amusing that the spammers are obliged to use
    the exact name for the drugs (who would dose themselves with something
    and then find themselves dying from a misprint?) and the names can
    never match typical words. So, they are simple to filter, apart from
    the fact that you have to watch out for new names appearing.

    Hence my little program. I can't remember how many times I've seen
    "ultracet" (twice so far - teetering on the brink).

    Talking of brinks, I was just on the brink of doing something silly. I
    was going to append my list here. Then I realised that this would
    sound the spam alarms of everyone who has such a filter, and almost
    certainly you!

    --
    Steve Swift
    http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
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    Swifty, Dec 13, 2011
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  18. Tony Mountifield

    Swifty Guest

    On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:32:35 +0000, Tim Streater
    <> wrote:

    >Has there been any spam in the last 12 hours since I disabled my
    >filters? I haven't seen any.


    I haven't seen any, but my filter (medicine names) is active.

    It comes in waves. I suspect something like "daily, but not weekends".
    we could probably work out roughly where in the world the spammer is,
    as they seem to observe public holidays as well.

    --
    Steve Swift
    http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
    http://www.ringers.org.uk
     
    Swifty, Dec 13, 2011
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  19. On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:53:24 +0000, Swifty wrote:

    > Talking of brinks, I was just on the brink of doing something silly. I
    > was going to append my list here. Then I realised that this would sound
    > the spam alarms of everyone who has such a filter, and almost certainly
    > you!


    Not mine, as I filter on headers, not content.

    Rgds

    Denis McMahon
     
    Denis McMahon, Dec 13, 2011
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  20. In comp.lang.javascript message <jc5rht$6nu$>, Mon,
    12 Dec 2011 21:26:21, Tony Mountifield <> posted:

    >I subscribe to a number of Web/DB kind of newsgroups (mysql, php, perl,
    >javascript, etc.), and out of all of them, it's only comp.lang.javascript
    >that appears to have this perennial problem with spam. Just wondering
    >why this group gets picked on, while the others are generally clean.


    You're apparently using albasini.net, by intent or otherwise. Use
    eternal-September instead. If your ISP prevents that, migrate.

    --
    (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05.
    Website <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
    PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm
    Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.
     
    Dr J R Stockton, Dec 13, 2011
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