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hg
John said:
I'm testing them both now ... Wing IDE is in front (but I'm testing the
pro version).
hg
I'm testing them both now ... Wing IDE is in front (but I'm testing the
pro version).
hg
J
John Salerno
Just curious what users of the two big commercial IDEs think of them
compared to one another (if you've used both).
Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.
Komodo, on the other hand, seems to have more of the features that the
personal version of Wing IDE lacks (call tips, class browser, etc.) but
the look of it seems very sparse for some reason.
compared to one another (if you've used both).
Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.
Komodo, on the other hand, seems to have more of the features that the
personal version of Wing IDE lacks (call tips, class browser, etc.) but
the look of it seems very sparse for some reason.
T
Theerasak Photha
But that's really a good thing.
-- Theerasak
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John Salerno
Theerasak said:
Yeah, features are more important, and probably you can customize the
look of the IDE anyway, so either one can look as full or as bare as you
want (I assume). Perhaps I'll give the trials a try myself, just to see,
although I know for sure I won't be buying the Pro version of Wing.
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hg
Theerasak said:
I'm really interested: my *small* company is ready to spend the ~300$ in
the process, but Komodo looks _very_ sparse.
How do you go about it? ... I have resources to look at it for one or
two days.
hg
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hg
Theerasak said:
I have spend the past two years with eclipse/pydev ... a few issue are
still troublesome to me (speed, search for definitions ... being a few
of them) ... and until two days ago I had not even looked at Wing as I
wrongly thought it was on Windoze-based. But I must must admit I am
impressed - yet I feel it would be stupid to not look carefully at
Komodo ... hence my questions.
hg
T
Theerasak Photha
It's entirely possible you could use a free IDE as well. (Just
throwing it out there.)
-- Theerasak
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Theerasak Photha
I haven't used Komodo personally. I like Emacs. However:
1) *Appearing* sparse doesn't mean much---Emacs 22's GTK interface
'looks' sparse as well, and sparse is the last word that comes to mind
when I think of Emacs
2) I've *heard* good things about Komodo before from others---it might
just be awesome
Perhaps you could try the Eric IDE? I hear SPE is not in active
dev.--- a pity to be sure, but I have used Eric before and found it
pretty easy to use and featureful.
-- Theerasak
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John Salerno
Theerasak said:
Is Eric available for Windows? I have found the install files before,
but they looked like it was for Linux.
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hg
Theerasak said:
Eric3 is very nice and moving forward ... I believe it is based on the
QT library which free ... yet not so free under windows (i have yet to
understand the business model).
Emacs I use for very small project (my finger talk emacs ;-) ) ... but
CTAGS is a bit cumbersome for large projects and as my architectures
have much need for improvements, I need powerful tools to find my way
around.
PS: I also was taken aback by the fact that the PyDev license was
"per-year" ... it's like buying Word for a year only ... isn't it ?
hg
T
Theerasak Photha
You need QScintilla IIRC, but:
http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric3-testimonials.html
"Eric is becoming an integral part of our Python development here at
Fluent. It's ability to set and trigger breakpoints in any thread is
unlike any other Python debugger we have tried. Through Eric's easy to
use interface and tight integration with PyQt, it has helped reduce
our debugging time, particularly on Windows platforms where it is used
heavily."
--- Andrew Bushnell, Fluent Inc.
So yeah. Good luck w/ it then, whatever your choice.
-- Theerasak
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Todd Whiteman
Check the following links, somebody has already done the hard work for
you
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review
Cheers,
Todd
you
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review
Cheers,
Todd
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John Salerno
Todd said:Check the following links, somebody has already done the hard work for
you
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review
Cheers,
Todd
Nice, thanks!
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Paul Boddie
hg said:
There are snapshots of Eric4 available, apparently. See here for more:
http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/
http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric4.html
[...]
Flashbacks to the age of shareware seem to be commonplace in the realm
of Eclipse, or that's how the scene seems to me.
Paul
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Sandra-24
John said:
Well I don't know about the personal edition, but I've used Komodo and
Wing, and I must say that I chose Wing in the end because it's debugger
is so much more robust than komodo. I tried remote debugging mod_python
using komodo, and it just choked. I spent a week trying to get it to
work. Wing, on the other hand, just worked. I have only the highest
praise for the Wing IDE Debugger, once you get to know it, it's so much
more powerful than Komodo's. The time saved over Komodo was well worth
the money for the professional edition.
-Sandra
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John Salerno
John said:
Well, I've tested out both for a little bit, and my first impression is
that Wing is very slow and laggy (Personal Edition, at least) compared
to Komodo. When you drag windows around, they leave huge trails, and the
autocomplete really slows down the text. Komodo didn't seem to have
these issues. But Wing's autocomplete definitely is more complete than
Komodo's.
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Heikki Toivonen
"Eric is becoming an integral part of our Python development here at
I have found that both Komodo and Pydev can do this.
Wing IDE does not (although you can debug any single thread). They are
open to suggestions though, so if there is demand I am sure they would
add it.
Personally I have used Wing IDE, Komodo and Pydev. I think Wing IDE has
the best debugging experience (for single threaded apps), and is the
fastest. I really like the regex tool in Komodo, but eventually I more
or less stopped using it. I am currently a Pydev user. I like Pydev
because it is open source, cross platform, supports multi-threaded
debugging, and simply because Eclipse provides so much stuff (although
it is a pretty steep learning curve and it has its own annoyances).
I have found that both Komodo and Pydev can do this.
Wing IDE does not (although you can debug any single thread). They are
open to suggestions though, so if there is demand I am sure they would
add it.
Personally I have used Wing IDE, Komodo and Pydev. I think Wing IDE has
the best debugging experience (for single threaded apps), and is the
fastest. I really like the regex tool in Komodo, but eventually I more
or less stopped using it. I am currently a Pydev user. I like Pydev
because it is open source, cross platform, supports multi-threaded
debugging, and simply because Eclipse provides so much stuff (although
it is a pretty steep learning curve and it has its own annoyances).
H
Heikki Toivonen
"Eric is becoming an integral part of our Python development here at
I have found that both Komodo and Pydev can do this.
Wing IDE does not (although you can debug any single thread). They are
open to suggestions though, so if there is demand I am sure they would
add it.
Personally I have used Wing IDE, Komodo and Pydev. I think Wing IDE has
the best debugging experience (for single threaded apps), and is the
fastest. I really like the regex tool in Komodo, but eventually I more
or less stopped using it. I am currently a Pydev user. I like Pydev
because it is open source, cross platform, supports multi-threaded
debugging, and simply because Eclipse provides so much stuff (although
it is a pretty steep learning curve and it has its own annoyances).
I have found that both Komodo and Pydev can do this.
Wing IDE does not (although you can debug any single thread). They are
open to suggestions though, so if there is demand I am sure they would
add it.
Personally I have used Wing IDE, Komodo and Pydev. I think Wing IDE has
the best debugging experience (for single threaded apps), and is the
fastest. I really like the regex tool in Komodo, but eventually I more
or less stopped using it. I am currently a Pydev user. I like Pydev
because it is open source, cross platform, supports multi-threaded
debugging, and simply because Eclipse provides so much stuff (although
it is a pretty steep learning curve and it has its own annoyances).
H
Heikki Toivonen
Paul said:
You are confusing Pydev and Pydev Extensions. The former is free, the
latter costs money and has some advanced features. The Pydev maintainer
launched Pydev Extensions to get some extra cash and let him spend more
time on Pydev development.
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Paul Boddie
Heikki said:
I think hg was confusing the two; I was merely making general remarks
about the Eclipse scene, and in particular certain J2EE-related
products which seem to add little value yet come with a price tag.
Paul