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Discussion in 'HTML' started by richard, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. richard

    richard Guest

    http://odology.1littleworld.com/freewayjim-1.html

    I wasted my time slapping together this little trinket.
    100 plus videos all on the same page.
    I wonder if youtube might get a hint and do something similar?
    Of course not. Then they couldn't have as many ads.

    I used tables for the videos simply because tables are easier to work
    with.
     
    richard, Oct 19, 2008
    #1
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  2. richard

    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Oct 19, 1:02 pm, richard <> wrote:
    > http://odology.1littleworld.com/freewayjim-1.html
    >
    > I wasted my time slapping together this little trinket.
    > 100 plus videos all on the same page.
    > I wonder if youtube might get a hint and do something similar?
    > Of course not. Then they couldn't have as many ads.
    >
    > I used tables for the videos simply because tables are easier to work
    > with.


    You managed to make 764 validation errors when validated as html 4.01
    transitional at the w3c. Many of these were caused by use of the
    illegal embed tag,. although this often will work. Most imporant, is
    that the page is much too slow to load, and I have a very high
    broadband connection. It would appear that several to all of the
    videos are being linked to YouTube at once, and although they are not
    playing, this greatly slows things down. A way around this would be to
    use a set of radio buttons, one by each video link. When clicked, the
    selection would be sent to the server using php, and the server would
    return the code just for the video selected. This can all be done
    without any client side javascript. If you want a picture to link to
    instead of just a text description, consider making small thumbnails
    from each video of small byte size.
     
    cwdjrxyz, Oct 19, 2008
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  3. richard

    richard Guest

    On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    <> wrote:

    >On Oct 19, 1:02 pm, richard <> wrote:
    >> http://odology.1littleworld.com/freewayjim-1.html
    >>
    >> I wasted my time slapping together this little trinket.
    >> 100 plus videos all on the same page.
    >> I wonder if youtube might get a hint and do something similar?
    >> Of course not. Then they couldn't have as many ads.
    >>
    >> I used tables for the videos simply because tables are easier to work
    >> with.

    >
    >You managed to make 764 validation errors when validated as html 4.01
    >transitional at the w3c. Many of these were caused by use of the
    >illegal embed tag,. although this often will work. Most imporant, is
    >that the page is much too slow to load, and I have a very high
    >broadband connection. It would appear that several to all of the
    >videos are being linked to YouTube at once, and although they are not
    >playing, this greatly slows things down. A way around this would be to
    >use a set of radio buttons, one by each video link. When clicked, the
    >selection would be sent to the server using php, and the server would
    >return the code just for the video selected. This can all be done
    >without any client side javascript. If you want a picture to link to
    >instead of just a text description, consider making small thumbnails
    >from each video of small byte size.


    You did not read what I had posted in the first "home" tab.
    On my dialup connection, it takes less than a minute for 6 videos to
    load.
    Unless your script is turned off, yeah you'd probably see nothing for
    a very long time, if ever.

    I had a look at all those errors, all were with the 3rd party
    generated code. Embed itself is not illegal, it was some of the
    elements within it the validator did not like.

    I don't feel to bad, as I just sent youtube.com through the validator
    and it found 100 errors.
     
    richard, Oct 20, 2008
    #3
  4. richard

    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Oct 19, 8:44 pm, richard <> wrote:
    > On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > >On Oct 19, 1:02 pm, richard <> wrote:
    > >>http://odology.1littleworld.com/freewayjim-1.html

    >
    > >> I wasted my time slapping together this little trinket.
    > >> 100 plus videos all on the same page.
    > >> I wonder if youtube might get a hint and do something similar?
    > >> Of course not. Then they couldn't have as many ads.

    >
    > >> I used tables for the videos simply because tables are easier to work
    > >> with.

    >
    > >You managed to make 764 validation errors when validated as html 4.01
    > >transitional at the w3c. Many of these were caused by use of the
    > >illegal embed tag,. although this often will work. Most imporant, is
    > >that the page is much too slow to load, and I have a very high
    > >broadband connection. It would appear that several to all of the
    > >videos are being linked to YouTube at once, and although they are not
    > >playing, this greatly slows things down. A way around this would be to
    > >use a set of radio buttons, one by each video link. When clicked, the
    > >selection would be sent to the server using php, and the server would
    > >return the code just for the video selected. This can all be done
    > >without any client side javascript. If you want a picture to link to
    > >instead of just a text description, consider making small thumbnails
    > >from each video of small byte size.

    >
    > You did not read what I had posted in the first "home" tab.
    > On my dialup connection, it takes less than a minute for 6 videos to
    > load.
    > Unless your script is turned off, yeah you'd probably see nothing for
    > a very long time, if ever.


    No my script was on and I did read what you posted in your home tab. I
    also have a download connection of over 5 mbps at the moment when
    downloading from a server that is not overloaded. It is still taking a
    long time for the first video in the Louisiana section to show up and
    even longer for the second video. It could well be that you have
    several of these videos in your computer temporary cache. I have often
    observed that downloading can appear to be be much faster the second
    time around once it is in the temporary cache of the viewing computer.
    The flash YouTube videos use flv/swf with the flv flash video file
    being much larger than the swf file which just contains the player,
    logos etc. Connecting to the swf file starts the flv downloading to
    the temporary cache of the browser. It is always possible that there
    is something slowing down the connection from your server to my
    browser, but if so it has been going on all afternoon. In any event,
    selecting the video you want first, sending that choice to the server
    via php form, and having the server send the browser only the code for
    the video chosen to be viewed will give the fastest possible
    response.

    > I had a look at all those errors, all were with the 3rd party
    > generated code. Embed itself is not illegal, it was some of the
    > elements within it the validator did not like.


    What do you mean by third party generated code - perhaps something you
    copied or some program produced. No matter what the source of the
    code, it is now part of your page and is your error now. Embed is now
    and never has been part of official w3c html. It is a relic from the
    browser war era from the now long-gone Netscape browser. It still is
    used by many who do not know better and often works. Also for your
    flash application, using embed could be easily avoided using correct
    object code for most browsers and ActiveX object code for IE making
    use of Windows conditional comments. There also or other valid methods
    that have been used.

    >
    > I don't feel to bad, as I just sent youtube.com through the validator
    > and it found 100 errors.


    Yes, YouTube, Google, and even Microsoft's home page are loaded with
    w3c validation errors. These companies are much better at making money
    or selling ads than in writing valid code. This is not the time to go
    into a long discussion of why this is so. However, in answer to one of
    your previous questions, I showed you code for handling YouTube videos
    on a page that validates fully at w3c at the html 4.01 strict level,
    and I often use code at the xhtml 1.1 level served properly as
    application/xhtml+xml that also will fully validate at w3c. You likely
    could do this as well on your page. Below are the w3c validator
    reports for the code I showed you below. If you choose to use invalid
    code, that is up to you. However I will make a point not to answer
    your posts in the future, because from your answers here and to others
    who give you suggestions, I seem to detect that you do not wish
    critical answers. Thus I will try to satisfy your apparent wishes by
    not answering new threads you may start.

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.cwdjr.net/video4/testYT.html


    Modified: Mon Oct 6 10:32:28 2008
    Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) mod_throttle/3.1.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635
    mod_psoft_traffic/0.2 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.8b
    Size: 1743
    Content-Type: text/html
    Encoding: iso-8859-1
    Doctype: HTML 4.01 Strict
    Root Element: html
    Options
    Show Source Show Outline List Messages Sequentially Group Error
    Messages by Type
    Validate error pages Verbose Output Clean up Markup with HTML Tidy

    Help on the options is available.
    Congratulations

    The document located at <http://www.cwdjr.net/video4/testYT.html> was
    successfully checked as HTML 4.01 Strict. This means that the resource
    in question identified itself as "HTML 4.01 Strict" and that we
    successfully performed a formal validation using an SGML or XML Parser
    (depending on the markup language used).
    "valid" Icon(s) on your Web page

    To show your readers that you have taken the care to create an
    interoperable Web page, you may display this icon on any page that
    validates. Here is the HTML you could use to add this icon to your Web
    page:
    Valid HTML 4.01 Strict

    <p>
    <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer"><img
    src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html401"
    alt="Valid HTML 4.01 Strict" height="31" width="88"></a>
    </p>


    Valid HTML 4.01 Strict

    <p>
    <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer"><img
    src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html401-blue"
    alt="Valid HTML 4.01 Strict" height="31" width="88"></a>
    </p>


    A full list of icons, with links to alternate formats and colors, is
    available: If you like, you can download a copy of the icons to keep
    in your local web directory, and change the HTML fragment above to
    reference your local image rather than the one on this server.
    Linking to this result

    If you would like to create a link to this page (i.e., this validation
    result) to make it easier to revalidate this page in the future or to
    allow others to validate your page, the URI is <http://
    validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cwdjr.net
    %2Fvideo4%2FtestYT.html;ss=1> (or you can just add the current page to
    your bookmarks or hotlist).
    Validating CSS Style Sheets

    If you use CSS in your document, you can check it using the W3C CSS
    Validation Service.

    $B",(B Top
    Source Listing

    Below is the source input I used for this validation:

    1. <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN">
    2. <html lang="en">
    3. <head>
    4. <title>testYT</title>
    5. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/
    html;charset=iso-8859-1">
    6. <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
    7.
    8. <style type="text/css">
    9. a:active {color: #888800; background-color: #ffffff}
    10. a:visited {color: #008800;background-color: #ffffff}
    11. a:link {color: #880000;background-color: #ffffff}
    12. p {font-size:100%;color:#000000;font-weight:bold;background-
    color: #ffffff}
    13. p.threered {font-size:100%;color:#880000;font-
    weight:bold;background-color: #ffffff}
    14. p.h {font-size:125%;text-align:center;color: #990033;background-
    color: #000000;font-weight:bold}
    15. body {margin-left:2%;margin-right:2%;margin-top:2%;margin-bottom:
    2%;background-color:#000000;color:#ffffff}
    16. </style>
    17. </head>
    18. <body>
    19. <p class="h">
    20. YT TEST
    21. </p>
    22.
    23. <div style="text-align:center">
    24. <!--[if IE]>
    25. <object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
    codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
    swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="425" height="344" >
    26. <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/
    x8uob0M3z2I&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1">
    27. <param name="quality" value="high">
    28. <param name="bgcolor" value="#000000">
    29. <param name="autoplay" value="false">
    30. <param name="loop" value="false"><param name="wmode"
    value="transparent">
    31. </object>
    32. <![endif]-->
    33. <!--[if !IE]>
    34. <-->
    35. <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://
    www.youtube.com/v/x8uob0M3z2I&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" width="425"
    height="344">
    36. <param name="quality" value="high"><param name="bgcolor"
    value="#000000">
    37. <param name="autoplay" value="false"><param name="loop"
    value="false">
    38. <param name="wmode" value="transparent">
    39. </object>
    40. <!-->
    41. <![endif]-->
    42. </div>
    43.
    44. </body>
    45. </html>

    ____________________________________________________________________

    W3C CSS Validator results for http://www.cwdjr.net/video4/testYT.html
    (CSS level 3)
    Congratulations! No Error Found.

    This document validates as CSS level 3 !

    To show your readers that you've taken the care to create an
    interoperable Web page, you may display this icon on any page that
    validates. Here is the XHTML you could use to add this icon to your
    Web page:
    Valid CSS!

    <p>
    <a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/">
    <img style="border:0;width:88px;height:31px"
    src="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/images/vcss"
    alt="Valid CSS!" />
    </a>
    </p>


    Valid CSS!

    <p>
    <a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/">
    <img style="border:0;width:88px;height:31px"
    src="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/images/vcss-blue"
    alt="Valid CSS!" />
    </a>
    </p>


    (close the img tag with > instead of /> if using HTML <= 4.01)

    If you like, you can download a copy of this image to keep in your
    local web directory, and change the XHTML fragment above to reference
    your local image rather than the one on this server.

    If you would like to create a link to this page (i.e., this validation
    result) to make it easier to re-validate this page in the future or to
    allow others to validate your page, the URI is:

    http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/...YT.html&profile=css3&usermedium=all&warning=2
    or
    http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer (for HTML/XML
    document only)
     
    cwdjrxyz, Oct 20, 2008
    #4
  5. richard

    Neredbojias Guest

    On 19 Oct 2008, cwdjrxyz <> wrote:

    > No my script was on and I did read what you posted in your home tab.
    > I also have a download connection of over 5 mbps at the moment when
    > downloading from a server that is not overloaded. It is still taking
    > a long time for the first video in the Louisiana section to show up
    > and even longer for the second video. It could well be that you have
    > several of these videos in your computer temporary cache. I have
    > often observed that downloading can appear to be be much faster the
    > second time around once it is in the temporary cache of the viewing
    > computer. The flash YouTube videos use flv/swf with the flv flash
    > video file being much larger than the swf file which just contains
    > the player, logos etc. Connecting to the swf file starts the flv
    > downloading to the temporary cache of the browser. It is always
    > possible that there is something slowing down the connection from
    > your server to my browser, but if so it has been going on all
    > afternoon. In any event, selecting the video you want first, sending
    > that choice to the server via php form, and having the server send
    > the browser only the code for the video chosen to be viewed will give
    > the fastest possible response.


    I quite agree with your conclusion but nevertheless the page loaded for
    me surprisingly fast - appx. 6 seconds first time. Whatever vid I
    clicked on started immediately and several ran simultaneously although
    I didn't run more than 4 or test too extensively.

    --
    Neredbojias
    http://www.neredbojias.org/
    http://www.neredbojias.net/
     
    Neredbojias, Oct 20, 2008
    #5
  6. richard

    rf Guest

    "Neredbojias" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns9B3CF305F39Eneredbojiasnano@194.177.96.78...
    > On 19 Oct 2008, cwdjrxyz <> wrote:


    > I quite agree with your conclusion but nevertheless the page loaded for
    > me surprisingly fast - appx. 6 seconds first time. Whatever vid I
    > clicked on started immediately and several ran simultaneously although
    > I didn't run more than 4 or test too extensively.


    It loaded almost immediately for me.

    Then again however flashblock stopped any of those videos from even
    initialising and all I saw was the polite f asking if I wanted to view this
    crap :)

    Nice stuff, this flashblock. I waste my download bandwidth *only* if I
    decide to and not at the whim of some web "designer".
     
    rf, Oct 20, 2008
    #6
  7. richard

    richard Guest

    On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:36:28 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    <> wrote:

    >On Oct 19, 8:44 pm, richard <> wrote:
    >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> <> wrote:
    >> >On Oct 19, 1:02 pm, richard <> wrote:
    >> >>http://odology.1littleworld.com/freewayjim-1.html

    >>
    >> >> I wasted my time slapping together this little trinket.
    >> >> 100 plus videos all on the same page.
    >> >> I wonder if youtube might get a hint and do something similar?
    >> >> Of course not. Then they couldn't have as many ads.

    >>
    >> >> I used tables for the videos simply because tables are easier to work
    >> >> with.

    >>
    >> >You managed to make 764 validation errors when validated as html 4.01
    >> >transitional at the w3c. Many of these were caused by use of the
    >> >illegal embed tag,. although this often will work. Most imporant, is
    >> >that the page is much too slow to load, and I have a very high
    >> >broadband connection. It would appear that several to all of the
    >> >videos are being linked to YouTube at once, and although they are not
    >> >playing, this greatly slows things down. A way around this would be to
    >> >use a set of radio buttons, one by each video link. When clicked, the
    >> >selection would be sent to the server using php, and the server would
    >> >return the code just for the video selected. This can all be done
    >> >without any client side javascript. If you want a picture to link to
    >> >instead of just a text description, consider making small thumbnails
    >> >from each video of small byte size.

    >>
    >> You did not read what I had posted in the first "home" tab.
    >> On my dialup connection, it takes less than a minute for 6 videos to
    >> load.
    >> Unless your script is turned off, yeah you'd probably see nothing for
    >> a very long time, if ever.

    >
    >No my script was on and I did read what you posted in your home tab. I
    >also have a download connection of over 5 mbps at the moment when
    >downloading from a server that is not overloaded. It is still taking a
    >long time for the first video in the Louisiana section to show up and
    >even longer for the second video. It could well be that you have
    >several of these videos in your computer temporary cache. I have often
    >observed that downloading can appear to be be much faster the second
    >time around once it is in the temporary cache of the viewing computer.
    >The flash YouTube videos use flv/swf with the flv flash video file
    >being much larger than the swf file which just contains the player,
    >logos etc. Connecting to the swf file starts the flv downloading to
    >the temporary cache of the browser. It is always possible that there
    >is something slowing down the connection from your server to my
    >browser, but if so it has been going on all afternoon. In any event,
    >selecting the video you want first, sending that choice to the server
    >via php form, and having the server send the browser only the code for
    >the video chosen to be viewed will give the fastest possible
    >response.
    >
    >> I had a look at all those errors, all were with the 3rd party
    >> generated code. Embed itself is not illegal, it was some of the
    >> elements within it the validator did not like.

    >
    >What do you mean by third party generated code - perhaps something you
    >copied or some program produced. No matter what the source of the
    >code, it is now part of your page and is your error now. Embed is now
    >and never has been part of official w3c html. It is a relic from the
    >browser war era from the now long-gone Netscape browser. It still is
    >used by many who do not know better and often works. Also for your
    >flash application, using embed could be easily avoided using correct
    >object code for most browsers and ActiveX object code for IE making
    >use of Windows conditional comments. There also or other valid methods
    >that have been used.
    >
    >>
    >> I don't feel to bad, as I just sent youtube.com through the validator
    >> and it found 100 errors.

    >
    >Yes, YouTube, Google, and even Microsoft's home page are loaded with
    >w3c validation errors. These companies are much better at making money
    >or selling ads than in writing valid code. This is not the time to go
    >into a long discussion of why this is so. However, in answer to one of
    >your previous questions, I showed you code for handling YouTube videos
    >on a page that validates fully at w3c at the html 4.01 strict level,
    >and I often use code at the xhtml 1.1 level served properly as
    >application/xhtml+xml that also will fully validate at w3c. You likely
    >could do this as well on your page. Below are the w3c validator
    >reports for the code I showed you below. If you choose to use invalid
    >code, that is up to you. However I will make a point not to answer
    >your posts in the future, because from your answers here and to others
    >who give you suggestions, I seem to detect that you do not wish
    >critical answers. Thus I will try to satisfy your apparent wishes by
    >not answering new threads you may start.
    >
    >______________________________________________________________________________________________
    >
    >http://www.cwdjr.net/video4/testYT.html
    >
    >
    >Modified: Mon Oct 6 10:32:28 2008
    >Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) mod_throttle/3.1.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635
    >mod_psoft_traffic/0.2 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.8b
    >Size: 1743
    >Content-Type: text/html
    >Encoding: iso-8859-1
    >Doctype: HTML 4.01 Strict
    >Root Element: html
    >Options
    >Show Source Show Outline List Messages Sequentially Group Error
    >Messages by Type
    >Validate error pages Verbose Output Clean up Markup with HTML Tidy
    >
    >Help on the options is available.
    >Congratulations
    >
    >The document located at <http://www.cwdjr.net/video4/testYT.html> was
    >successfully checked as HTML 4.01 Strict. This means that the resource
    >in question identified itself as "HTML 4.01 Strict" and that we
    >successfully performed a formal validation using an SGML or XML Parser
    >(depending on the markup language used).
    >"valid" Icon(s) on your Web page
    >
    >To show your readers that you have taken the care to create an
    >interoperable Web page, you may display this icon on any page that
    >validates. Here is the HTML you could use to add this icon to your Web
    >page:
    >Valid HTML 4.01 Strict
    >
    > <p>
    > <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer"><img
    > src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html401"
    > alt="Valid HTML 4.01 Strict" height="31" width="88"></a>
    > </p>
    >
    >
    >Valid HTML 4.01 Strict
    >
    > <p>
    > <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer"><img
    > src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html401-blue"
    > alt="Valid HTML 4.01 Strict" height="31" width="88"></a>
    > </p>
    >
    >
    >A full list of icons, with links to alternate formats and colors, is
    >available: If you like, you can download a copy of the icons to keep
    >in your local web directory, and change the HTML fragment above to
    >reference your local image rather than the one on this server.
    >Linking to this result
    >
    >If you would like to create a link to this page (i.e., this validation
    >result) to make it easier to revalidate this page in the future or to
    >allow others to validate your page, the URI is <http://
    >validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cwdjr.net
    >%2Fvideo4%2FtestYT.html;ss=1> (or you can just add the current page to
    >your bookmarks or hotlist).
    >Validating CSS Style Sheets
    >
    >If you use CSS in your document, you can check it using the W3C CSS
    >Validation Service.
    >
    >? Top
    >Source Listing
    >
    >Below is the source input I used for this validation:
    >
    > 1. <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN">
    > 2. <html lang="en">
    > 3. <head>
    > 4. <title>testYT</title>
    > 5. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/
    >html;charset=iso-8859-1">
    > 6. <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
    > 7.
    > 8. <style type="text/css">
    > 9. a:active {color: #888800; background-color: #ffffff}
    > 10. a:visited {color: #008800;background-color: #ffffff}
    > 11. a:link {color: #880000;background-color: #ffffff}
    > 12. p {font-size:100%;color:#000000;font-weight:bold;background-
    >color: #ffffff}
    > 13. p.threered {font-size:100%;color:#880000;font-
    >weight:bold;background-color: #ffffff}
    > 14. p.h {font-size:125%;text-align:center;color: #990033;background-
    >color: #000000;font-weight:bold}
    > 15. body {margin-left:2%;margin-right:2%;margin-top:2%;margin-bottom:
    >2%;background-color:#000000;color:#ffffff}
    > 16. </style>
    > 17. </head>
    > 18. <body>
    > 19. <p class="h">
    > 20. YT TEST
    > 21. </p>
    > 22.
    > 23. <div style="text-align:center">
    > 24. <!--[if IE]>
    > 25. <object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
    >codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
    >swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="425" height="344" >
    > 26. <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/
    >x8uob0M3z2I&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1">
    > 27. <param name="quality" value="high">
    > 28. <param name="bgcolor" value="#000000">
    > 29. <param name="autoplay" value="false">
    > 30. <param name="loop" value="false"><param name="wmode"
    >value="transparent">
    > 31. </object>
    > 32. <![endif]-->
    > 33. <!--[if !IE]>
    > 34. <-->
    > 35. <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://
    >www.youtube.com/v/x8uob0M3z2I&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" width="425"
    >height="344">
    > 36. <param name="quality" value="high"><param name="bgcolor"
    >value="#000000">
    > 37. <param name="autoplay" value="false"><param name="loop"
    >value="false">
    > 38. <param name="wmode" value="transparent">
    > 39. </object>
    > 40. <!-->
    > 41. <![endif]-->
    > 42. </div>
    > 43.
    > 44. </body>
    > 45. </html>
    >
    >____________________________________________________________________
    >
    >W3C CSS Validator results for http://www.cwdjr.net/video4/testYT.html
    >(CSS level 3)
    >Congratulations! No Error Found.
    >
    >This document validates as CSS level 3 !
    >
    >To show your readers that you've taken the care to create an
    >interoperable Web page, you may display this icon on any page that
    >validates. Here is the XHTML you could use to add this icon to your
    >Web page:
    >Valid CSS!
    >
    ><p>
    > <a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/">
    > <img style="border:0;width:88px;height:31px"
    > src="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/images/vcss"
    > alt="Valid CSS!" />
    > </a>
    ></p>
    >
    >
    >Valid CSS!
    >
    ><p>
    ><a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/">
    > <img style="border:0;width:88px;height:31px"
    > src="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/images/vcss-blue"
    > alt="Valid CSS!" />
    ></a>
    ></p>
    >
    >
    >(close the img tag with > instead of /> if using HTML <= 4.01)
    >
    >If you like, you can download a copy of this image to keep in your
    >local web directory, and change the XHTML fragment above to reference
    >your local image rather than the one on this server.
    >
    >If you would like to create a link to this page (i.e., this validation
    >result) to make it easier to re-validate this page in the future or to
    >allow others to validate your page, the URI is:
    >
    >http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/...YT.html&profile=css3&usermedium=all&warning=2
    >or
    >http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer (for HTML/XML
    >document only)



    Well I have decided to change the look.
    Kind of taking your hint, I revised it now so that instead of waiting
    endlessly for all the videos to load, you will now see the text and
    one single iframe. "click to load" brings up the video in the iframe.
    So you will now only see one video at a time.

    And cut way back on the youtube generated errors.
     
    richard, Oct 20, 2008
    #7
  8. richard

    richard Guest

    On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:37:13 GMT, "rf" <> wrote:

    >
    >"Neredbojias" <> wrote in message
    >news:Xns9B3CF305F39Eneredbojiasnano@194.177.96.78...
    >> On 19 Oct 2008, cwdjrxyz <> wrote:

    >
    >> I quite agree with your conclusion but nevertheless the page loaded for
    >> me surprisingly fast - appx. 6 seconds first time. Whatever vid I
    >> clicked on started immediately and several ran simultaneously although
    >> I didn't run more than 4 or test too extensively.

    >
    >It loaded almost immediately for me.
    >
    >Then again however flashblock stopped any of those videos from even
    >initialising and all I saw was the polite f asking if I wanted to view this
    >crap :)
    >
    >Nice stuff, this flashblock. I waste my download bandwidth *only* if I
    >decide to and not at the whim of some web "designer".
    >


    Thanks for the feedback. With the newer version now you only see one
    video at a time. No more waiting around for youtube to load the entire
    set.
     
    richard, Oct 20, 2008
    #8
  9. richard

    cwdjrxyz Guest

    On Oct 20, 1:53 am, Neredbojias <> wrote:
    > On 19 Oct 2008, cwdjrxyz <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > No my script was on and I did read what you posted in your home tab.
    > > I also have a download connection of over 5 mbps at the moment when
    > > downloading from a server that is not overloaded. It is still taking
    > > a long time for the first video in the Louisiana section to show up
    > > and even longer for the second video. It could well be that you have
    > > several of these videos in your computer temporary cache. I have
    > > often observed that downloading can appear to be be much faster the
    > > second time around once it is in the temporary cache of the viewing
    > > computer. The flash YouTube videos use flv/swf with the flv flash
    > > video file being much larger than the swf file which just contains
    > > the player, logos etc. Connecting to the swf file starts the flv
    > > downloading to the temporary cache of the browser. It is always
    > > possible that there is something slowing down the connection from
    > > your server to my browser, but if so it has been going on all
    > > afternoon. In any event, selecting the video you want first, sending
    > > that choice to the server via php form, and having the server send
    > > the browser only the code for the video chosen to be viewed will give
    > > the fastest possible response.

    >
    > I quite agree with your conclusion but nevertheless the page loaded for
    > me surprisingly fast - appx. 6 seconds first time.  Whatever vid I
    > clicked on started immediately and several ran simultaneously although
    > I didn't run more than 4 or test too extensively.


    There is one other consideration. Not only are you linking to the page
    owner's site but also to the YouTube site, because the YouTube video
    is hot linked. Download from YouTube is not always the fastest, as you
    can judge by the progress of the load bar which also includes a
    pointer for the current play time of the video. Hot linking to YouTube
    is very common, and they make it very easy to do so. In the past hot
    linking in general was considered band width theft in many quarters,
    but YouTube may not mind because it exposes more of their ads that
    make their money. However, you can cut out any possible bottle necks
    from hot linking to YouTube by downloading the flv instead. There are
    programs to grab a flv. Also the most recent Real Player 11 version
    will grab a flv on IE and Firefox 3. For a short time Real quit
    working on Firefox just after they upgraded to 3. However Real 11 was
    updated within the past several days, and the most recent version will
    again grab a flv. Now several players including Real 11 will play an
    isolated flv without association with a swf container file. However,
    to work on most computers, it is quite possible to input the flv into
    some flash video encoders and generate new custom flv/swf files. One
    can build a player in many ways. For instance one can build a player
    that does not autostart, that does or does not start downloading the
    flv to the browser temporary cache when the page is downloaded to the
    browser etc. All of this can come in handy when you have several
    videos on a page that are a download hog. Since I seldom use YouTube
    videos, I do not know if they would approve of this or not. Since ads
    might be lost, they might not like it. Anyway, if you have a new flv/
    swf stored on your server rather than from a hot link to YouTube, you
    have one less potential source of slowness in download, and if YouTube
    removes the video, no problem.
     
    cwdjrxyz, Oct 20, 2008
    #9
  10. richard

    Neredbojias Guest

    On 20 Oct 2008, "rf" <> wrote:

    > "Neredbojias" <> wrote in message
    > news:Xns9B3CF305F39Eneredbojiasnano@194.177.96.78...
    >> On 19 Oct 2008, cwdjrxyz <> wrote:

    >
    >> I quite agree with your conclusion but nevertheless the page loaded
    >> for me surprisingly fast - appx. 6 seconds first time. Whatever vid
    >> I clicked on started immediately and several ran simultaneously
    >> although I didn't run more than 4 or test too extensively.

    >
    > It loaded almost immediately for me.
    >
    > Then again however flashblock stopped any of those videos from even
    > initialising and all I saw was the polite f asking if I wanted to
    > view this crap :)
    >
    > Nice stuff, this flashblock. I waste my download bandwidth *only* if
    > I decide to and not at the whim of some web "designer".


    Yeah, flashblock sounds good to me, too, but since I've drastically
    reduced my general browsing of late and none of the dozen or so sites I
    still frequent promotes autoload Flash vids, I don't really need it.
    If I was as interested in The Net as I used to be even a year ago, I
    would surely install it.

    --
    Neredbojias
    http://www.neredbojias.org/
    http://www.neredbojias.net/
     
    Neredbojias, Oct 21, 2008
    #10
  11. richard

    Neredbojias Guest

    On 20 Oct 2008, cwdjrxyz <> wrote:

    >> I quite agree with your conclusion but nevertheless the page loaded
    >> for me surprisingly fast - appx. 6 seconds first time.  Whatever vid
    >> I clicked on started immediately and several ran simultaneously
    >> although I didn't run more than 4 or test too extensively.

    >
    > There is one other consideration. Not only are you linking to the
    > page owner's site but also to the YouTube site, because the YouTube
    > video is hot linked. Download from YouTube is not always the fastest,
    > as you can judge by the progress of the load bar which also includes
    > a pointer for the current play time of the video. Hot linking to
    > YouTube is very common, and they make it very easy to do so. In the
    > past hot linking in general was considered band width theft in many
    > quarters, but YouTube may not mind because it exposes more of their
    > ads that make their money. However, you can cut out any possible
    > bottle necks from hot linking to YouTube by downloading the flv
    > instead. There are programs to grab a flv. Also the most recent Real
    > Player 11 version will grab a flv on IE and Firefox 3. For a short
    > time Real quit working on Firefox just after they upgraded to 3.
    > However Real 11 was updated within the past several days, and the
    > most recent version will again grab a flv. Now several players
    > including Real 11 will play an isolated flv without association with
    > a swf container file. However, to work on most computers, it is quite
    > possible to input the flv into some flash video encoders and generate
    > new custom flv/swf files. One can build a player in many ways. For
    > instance one can build a player that does not autostart, that does or
    > does not start downloading the flv to the browser temporary cache
    > when the page is downloaded to the browser etc. All of this can come
    > in handy when you have several videos on a page that are a download
    > hog. Since I seldom use YouTube videos, I do not know if they would
    > approve of this or not. Since ads might be lost, they might not like
    > it. Anyway, if you have a new flv/ swf stored on your server rather
    > than from a hot link to YouTube, you have one less potential source
    > of slowness in download, and if YouTube removes the video, no
    > problem.


    I'm still not 'intuitively cognizant" of the new Flash flv/swf thingy,
    but good explanation nevertheless. Flash currently doesn't impress me
    much at this time (or in the past) but I suspect it will in the future
    (if it continues to improve and become more user-friendly.)

    --
    Neredbojias
    http://www.neredbojias.org/
    http://www.neredbojias.net/
     
    Neredbojias, Oct 21, 2008
    #11
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