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Beauregard T. Shagnasty said:
..which has nothing to do with your Risc problem. Most invalid sites,
in my experience, either have no doctype, or a Transitional one placed
there by the wysiwyg software.
Actually, I wasn't strictly correct.
Lots of sites don't validate but seem to read perfectly well in Fresco.
As you suggest, the problem is generally with older sites written in Front
Page.
Nowadays, the problem is sites written totally in Flash.
You're obviously not advocating doing that.
Even though at least one college round here is actually teaching future 'web
designers' to do just that :-(((
Another problem is some commercial sites which use Java (not JS) to complete
orders. We have no support at all for Java because of the cost of porting it
to our platform.
But at least you get all the content, right?
I already said that.
Please explain. What does your browser do with a Strict doctype
document that uses presentational HTML instead of CSS? (It of course
won't validate, but that doesn't appear to be the issue you have.)
The same as it would with a Transitional with CSS, I'd imagine.
I don't actually know.
I've just started using some CSS, but with tables for presentation, and
validating transitional.
Zillion? No ... Two? Maybe ... When I first discovered CSS a number
of years ago, it took about two days to get the hang of it. Quite
simple, actually. The benefits of using CSS are outstanding.
So everyone keeps saying.
But what are the benefits again?
Easier to change - not so for us.
There is a great little RiscOS prog called WebChange, where you can easily
make global changes to a whole site in a very short time.
Smaller code in the HTML page?
I haven't found this to be so, usually between 100 and 250 bytes more for
the markup per page, but as I said, I'm still using tables.
Compatible with more devices?
Maybe so, I couldn't possibly say.
But since I have two sites, one for an artist and one for a photographer, I
wouldn't even expect my own mother to visit them with a mobile phone or
speech parser.
My site looks essentially similar in the four RiscOS browsers I have, IE5,
5.5, 6, Opera, Natscape6, Safari and some other Mac browser I checked out at
the Science Centre.
I have a much bigger problem with resolution: I'm designing here on 800x600
(flexible tables, of course). I don't like the way it 'spreads out' on my
hi-res pc monitor, but it's the same for every other site I've visited which
doesn't use fixed-width tables, so I just have to live with it.
Five users in the US. A few more in the UK, etc. You are arguing for
the rest of us (Windows, Linux, Mac ...) to dump modern authoring for
a few dozen people. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.
A few thousand UK users at least, I don't know about 'abroad'.
I have *never* argued for you or anyone else to dump modern authoring.
I just didn't accept the sweeping statement "There is no need to use
Transitional this Millenium - and have demonstrated where there is a case.
Another one is my little subsection where I have tutorials for a piece of
RiscOS software, which only RO users will be interested in.
There seems to have been some problem with amazon.co.uk over the past week
or two, which hasn't been accepting some RO users, alternatively not
recognising them as existing customers, hasn't been letting them complete
their orders, emptying their baskets, deleting their wishlists etc. The
problems are inconsistent, but over at least 3 RO browsers. (I don't
understand it: I received goods today, ordered with Fresco last Sunday with
no problems, and this morning my pending items were still in my basket. I
suspect they're trying out something new on one/some but not all of their
servers.) But already, the mailing lists are full of suggestions of where
else to get the same things with RO browsers. Now I know I've spent about 2k
ukp on amazon this year. Multiply this by even 200, and it could be
significant (maybe not to amazon, though). And strangely, it's difficult to
find out how to report these problems to amazon.co.uk: their visible support
is only for 'return of goods'.
Perhaps one day, Risc OS will catch up. ;-)
Perhaps, I'm not holding my breath.
The recent pd browser is under active development (in fits and starts: I
think the authors are students and I suspect they'll never be able to catch
up and keep up) but that won't help those on my sister's university network.
Slainte
Liz