Xah's edu corner: on Microsoft hatred

Discussion in 'Java' started by Xah Lee, Jul 18, 2005.

  1. Xah Lee

    Xah Lee Guest

    Dear Joe,

    It is well known that you are an avid hater of Microsoft, from their
    technologies to their leader to their business practices. I have now
    and then seen your impassioned expression of this hatred, scattered
    among your newsgroup posts.

    Personally, i have an inherent distrust toward big organizations. This
    applies to Microsoft. Since perhaps 1995, MS has become more and more
    large, and as well becoming a hate target especially among unix
    communities. Of MS hatred there are two aspects: those who think MS
    products are utterly incompetent, and those who think MS business
    practices are the most evil.

    I have always been an Apple Macintosh user. I have used a few MS
    products such as MS Word word processor on the Mac since about 1990,
    and Mac version of MS Internet Explorer web browser and Outlook Express
    email program when they became available around 1997 or so free of
    charge. My experiences have been that MS software on the Mac are pretty
    good, if not usually better than competitors. In fact, before the
    MS-hatred era of late 1990s, i recall that i was found of MS Word and
    would say it was the software that never crashed, with the richest
    (useful) features. I have not used MS Windows much until 1999, so i
    cannot judge from my own experience whether people's complains about
    MS's product's poor quality. By the time i used MS Windows daily in
    1999, it was MS Windows NT, and i have moved into industrial programing
    field now called IT. At the time Apple's OS is around version 8.
    Although Windows is not as aesthetic or intuitive as my beloved Mac OS,
    but on the whole i think Windows NT beats the shit out of Mac OS by
    far. Mac OS crashed daily if a info-collecting tech-head like myself
    are careful, hourly if not, and among quite a few of other reasons.

    As the MS hatred is rolling like a snowball, i started to pay
    attention. On one hand, i never cared for Microsoft. Their sole
    impression on me before 1998 was that MS Word is good software, and i
    hate Windows just because i'm a dedicated Apple fan just because Apple
    had made many revolutionary innovations in both software and hardware
    and MS was Apple's market enemy. Although i think the unix crowd are
    tech morons of the world, but when it comes to political issues, i'm
    inclined to side with their freedom loving and paranoia propensities.
    I'm ashamed to admit, that i started to visit unix moron's mecca the
    slashdot.org around 1999, and have read quite a lot of their MS hatred
    verbiage, from drivel of sopho-morons to Eric Raymond's OpenSource
    Jihad to Richard Stallman's Free Software Foundation. Perhaps due to
    their propaganda, at times i shudder at the mind-numbing MS juggernaut,
    and have felt ready to join their cause and kill Microsoft.

    Since 1999, my behavior have in fact been mildly anti-Microsoft. I
    would, for example, mention FreeSoftware or OpenSource in meetings,
    avoid using MS products myself and convert all my MS Word files i have
    on my Mac to some standard format such as plain text, and also use the
    Free Software Foundation's GNU Public License for my own software
    dabblings. Still, i was never a MS hater. Some people i know are MS
    haters, but i'm just a mild FreeSoftware proponent and was never sure i
    should be a MS hater. I could have investigated the issue, by studying
    the various lawsuits, check out MS history, exam and verify MS hater's
    essays, but life is short and i have other interests so i did not
    undertook such activities and never decided whether MS should be hated.
    I just disliked big organizations, and thus Microsoft.

    Since 1999 i entered the field of industrial programing known as Info
    Technology. In particular, i'm a web application programer on the unix
    platform. My daily office machines are PC running Windows (NT and
    followings) and remote unix servers. I find NT quite usable and almost
    never crashed at least as a desktop machine. I don't know much about
    any MS-bred technologies, but i knew quite a lot about unix. My
    attitude towards unixes is that it is the MOST incompetent thing in the
    computing world. I am an outright unix HATER. I have becoming
    increasingly nosy about unix MS-hater's claims technology-wise as most
    readily found from slashdot.org, from User Interface design to protocol
    embrace & extend to innovation to power & flexibility to security
    considerations. In the past few years, i started to pay mild attention
    to the question of wether from a technical or technological point of
    view MS should be hated.

    Even i don't know much Microsoft technologies except as a daily Windows
    user, but in my personal judgment system among all things considered, i
    think that if MS has done damage to society then unix has done hundred
    times more. I believe that Microsoft Windows technologies is on the
    whole FAR superior to unixes both as a PC and server, all things
    considered. (this includes the fact that unix is more stable then
    Windows NT, today.) Comparing to the other major desktop Operating
    System the Mac OS (where unixes are so incompetent it is out of the
    question), with intact conscience i think that MS's OS since about 1997
    has left my beloved Mac OS in dust. If Windows 98 is poor quality (i
    know it is), then Mac OS of that year is neighborhood crap.

    (i plan to have book-length material on the reasons, but here for now i
    can only briefly state my beliefs in a conclusive manner.)

    The above is my beliefs on product or technological quality aspect of
    Microsoft-hatred. I have much interest in technology than politics or
    business, thus my know-how of social oriented issues pales in
    comparison. I have never examined the accusations of MS's evil business
    practices, other than news hearsay. To this day, i know little of what
    is true or false regarding MS's business practices. Although i have
    never undertook an interest of a topic, but as a philosopher i have
    gathered opinions regarding a topic from great variety of sources and
    experiences, and can form a personal judgment. And from my observations
    of computing industry, and my little knowledge of economics, all things
    and experiences lead me to believe that there is little to no reason to
    hate MS for their business practice either. Sometimes last year i read
    Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics. Although he never talked about
    software in the book, but that book made a major impression on my views
    of MS-hating issues.

    Around 1994 i read the book _Steve Jobs and the NeXT big thing_ by
    historian Randall E. Stross, and i was highly positively impressed by
    him. I have then learned that he also wrote a book in 1997 on MS: _The
    Microsoft Way : The Real Story of How the Company Outsmarts Its
    Competition_. Although i have not read the book, but from amazon.com
    reviews it indicated that he simply think that the success of MS is due
    to being smart.

    There are various lawsuits against the MS giant in the last few years,
    from Sun Microsystem's Java lawsuit, to United States vs Microsoft
    anti-trust lawsuit, to last month's AOL suit for Netscape browser. As
    you know, Sun is a unix vendor, with its own greedy grip on Java. I
    frankly don't buy any bullshit from the Sun Micro commercial turd. MS
    may be devious with their own “standardâ€-breaking java, butno more
    hanky-panky than Sun's “Universal†Java sham in the first fucking
    place. Any commercial organizations do devious things for their own
    interest. As to United State's claim that MS screwed innovation by
    bundling browser, that itself is a fantastic fucking idea. Integrating
    browser into OS is an innovation, and amid so great many claims that MS
    does not innovate, i can think of quite a few cases where MS has in
    fact been innovative or responsible for technological lead from my
    personal computing experiences. (Microsoft Word accounts for great many
    innovations in word processing along.) And, who needs the government to
    meddle with industry? (as i have learned in Thomas's Sowell's book,
    anti-trust cases are invariably all the same.) Lastly is the AOL's
    bandwagon-hopping lawsuit in the name of fantastically incompetent
    Netscape the-loser-browser. **** America On-Line.

    I'm often ignorant when it comes to economics practicality, such as
    stock market or personal finance. Since about 1999, i started to become
    a stock holder, thus started to learn a bit of its nature. On this
    process, one thing came to my attention is that Microsoft is a public
    owned company. Public owned companies are directed by the people who
    own its stock, and any joe can purchase it. That means, if Microsoft is
    an evil empire, then the public shares a great blame. From this aspect,
    i don't see any sense of Microsoft-hatred either. Blame the public,
    such as your boss and neighbors and wife and friends and community, or,
    blame the fantastic greed-oriented system called capitalism that made
    USA so prosperous far beyond the moral-oriented communist/socialist
    nations or sovereignly ruled kingdoms & queendoms.

    this post is archived at:
    http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/mshatred155.html

    © copyright 2003 by Xah Lee.

    Xah

    ∑ http://xahlee.org/
    Xah Lee, Jul 18, 2005
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  2. Xah Lee

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Xah Lee wrote:
    > Dear Joe,
    >
    > It is well known that you are an avid hater of Microsoft, from their
    > technologies to their leader to their business practices. I have now
    > and then seen your impassioned expression of this hatred, scattered
    > among your newsgroup posts.


    This has ZERO to do with any of the groups you posted to. Go post to some
    advocacy groups where you *might* be on-topic.

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    Steve Sobol, Jul 18, 2005
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  3. Xah Lee

    John Bokma Guest

    Steve Sobol <> wrote:

    > Xah Lee wrote:
    >> Dear Joe,
    >>
    >> It is well known that you are an avid hater of Microsoft, from their
    >> technologies to their leader to their business practices. I have now
    >> and then seen your impassioned expression of this hatred, scattered
    >> among your newsgroup posts.

    >
    > This has ZERO to do with any of the groups you posted to. Go post to
    > some advocacy groups where you *might* be on-topic.


    A typical Xah Lee posting... wake me up when he is able to write a single
    post that makes and sense, and doesn't contain **** or similar words.

    --
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    John Bokma, Jul 18, 2005
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  4. Xah Lee wrote:
    > Dear Joe,
    >
    > It is well known that you are an avid hater of Microsoft, from their

    [...]

    Just for the records at Google et.al. in case someone stumbles across Xah's
    masterpieces in the future:
    Xah is very well known as the resident troll in many NGs and his
    'contributions' are less then useless.

    Best is to just ignore him.

    But for heaven's sake unless you want to embarrass yourself really badly
    don't take any of his postings serious because he has proven again and again
    that he has no clue whatsoever about computer science or programming.

    jue
    Jürgen Exner, Jul 19, 2005
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  5. Xah Lee

    Cong Wang Guest

    M$ is evil!
    Cong Wang, Jul 19, 2005
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  6. Xah Lee

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Cong Wang wrote:
    > M$ is evil!


    Not as evil as off-topic rants posted to c.l.j.programmer.



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    Steve Sobol, Jul 19, 2005
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    Malcolm Guest

    "John Bokma" <> wrote
    > A typical Xah Lee posting... wake me up when he is able to write a single
    > post that makes and sense, and doesn't contain **** or similar words.
    >

    Obscene language isn't acceptable on comp.lang.c.

    It is an international group, and what might be acceptable in America may be
    considered totally offensive, maybe even illegal, elsewhere.
    Malcolm, Jul 19, 2005
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  8. Steve Sobol wrote:
    > This has ZERO to do with any of the groups you posted to. Go post to
    > some advocacy groups where you *might* be on-topic.



    Steve,

    Xah Lee is a well known kook and troll, who recently discovered Java. He
    was "active" in the other groups before. Don't feed him. He is on some
    kind of mission, although he is not capable of expressing what that
    mission might be.

    /Thomas


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    Thomas Weidenfeller, Jul 19, 2005
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  9. Xah Lee

    Default User Guest

    J|rgen Exner wrote:


    > Just for the records at Google et.al. in case someone stumbles across
    > Xah's masterpieces in the future:
    > Xah is very well known as the resident troll in many NGs and his
    > 'contributions' are less then useless.
    >
    > Best is to just ignore him.



    I already had him killfiled. I'm going to add a few of these
    non-comp.lang.c newsgroups as well, not due to any animosity towards
    them but because I don't read them and don't plan to, so any message
    crossed to them is likely a troll.

    A good newsreader and aggressive use of filtering is the best way to
    handle such people.



    Brian
    Default User, Jul 19, 2005
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    John Bokma Guest

    "Malcolm" <> wrote:

    >
    > "John Bokma" <> wrote
    >> A typical Xah Lee posting... wake me up when he is able to write a
    >> single post that makes and sense, and doesn't contain **** or similar
    >> words.
    >>

    > Obscene language isn't acceptable on comp.lang.c.
    >
    > It is an international group, and what might be acceptable in America
    > may be considered totally offensive, maybe even illegal, elsewhere.


    Then you are going to have a hard time with Xah Lee, since he thinks it
    makes the message more clear.

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    John Bokma, Jul 19, 2005
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