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Message: [QUOTE="ara.t.howard, post: 4635297"] i'm not talking about code to test ratios, but code to test *framework* ratios. of course these numbers are a little bit high (whitespace, comments, etc) but cfp:/opt/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems > for gem in thoughtbot-* rspec* faker* mocha*;do echo $gem;find $gem/lib -type f|grep .rb|xargs -n1 cat|wc -l;done thoughtbot-factory_girl-1.2.0 937 thoughtbot-shoulda-2.9.1 3854 rspec-1.1.12 8773 rspec-1.1.3 7785 rspec-1.1.4 8083 faker-0.3.1 299 mocha-0.9.5 3294 most people would consider an 8000 line rails app 'large'. a @ [URL]http://codeforpeople.com/[/URL] [/QUOTE]