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Message: [QUOTE="Lew, post: 4200467"] Without further consideration I won't yet claim this is one of those times, but sometimes simpler is not better. The generics notion, with which I agree but others might not, is that the complexity of generics buys you locked-down type assertions. In the simpler way, you compare Ts and Ks willy-nilly, without really saying so. Sure it works, but it's hidden. With generics, you have to show the type relationship explicitly. This seems consistent with Java's policy of dragging out every possible elucidation of your algorithm, data structures and type structures at compile time without regard for index-finger RMI. This is supposed to be good, both documenting and enforcing the type analysis. But the downside is that rigorous, explicit, very-carefully-thought-out and thorough analysis is hard work. Work that professionals do anyway. Tough programmers, tough on bugs. Hoo-rah! [/QUOTE]