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Message: [QUOTE="dragan, post: 3972887"] I've been way to meek about using the guarantees given by my chosen compiler. More and more, I find myself at MSDN as my source for C++ information. What I find there is guaranteed to work because that's the compiler I'm using. C++ isn't losing ground, it's lost the war? Has most value in the Smithsonian? The current standard is off-topic in this thread. Hmm. I thought that was at least part of the point behind "standard layout". But, from a purely terminological point of view, it would seem to be ripe for bandaiding the lack of standard C++ ABI. A stepping stone for the original oversight. Any guarantee is better than no guarantee. Even Master C++er Bjarne Stroupstrup acknowledged this point-of-quality (though somewhat condescendingly) in a presentation he gave (available on UTube). I'd say (assertively) that they do, but I'm still struggling with the definition of such a thing. I was just wondering why the compiler needed control of that special function. What book did I not buy or decide not to buy because I don't think that as an application programmer I need to worry about stuff that my employer calls "get up to speed on your technical skills on your own time so you can bring direct/real value to the company via purposeful software applications"? [/QUOTE]