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Message: [QUOTE="James Kanze, post: 3977470"] Windows is inappropriate for most applications, and most uses. Most embedded systems require real-time behavior, for example, which Windows doesn't provide. Most mainframes require a lot of functionality that Windows doesn't provide (and run on platforms that Windows doesn't support). Most large scale servers require more reliability and scalability than Windows provides. Windows is far from ubiquitous. It's not even the most wide-spread OS. (VxWorks probably takes that prize.) [...] Bullshit. I never forgot C++'s lineage. Maybe never, the way things are going. Certainly not in the next few years. I agree that it needs to happen, and that the fact that it isn't happening is seriously hurting C++. But that doesn't change the fact that at present, it isn't happening, at least not too quickly. [...] You loose. I'm a professional, trying to get a job done. With tools that I stand a chance of seeing. [/QUOTE]