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Message: [QUOTE="Kyle Schmitt, post: 4569121"] dblack, I've never tried to use ||= before... but damn if that doesn't work well! I was expecting it to die like my @@whatever=:this unless @@whatever had when I tried that. Neat! Robert, I've found the docs for log4r to be slightly better than those for well.. umm. nothing. There about the worst docs I've found for a widely used package ;) I've used log4r in other projects several months ago, but didn't feel like going through the pain of setting it up and re-learning it. While it's a good lib, the docs are horrible. Thanks, Kyle [/QUOTE]