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Message: [QUOTE="Roedy Green, post: 2991011"] Please post real code. This is too far from real code. Please have a look at [URL]http://mindprod.com/jgloss/codingconventions.html[/URL] What I think your question might be is this: I have a circular reference: class F { Stack s; .... } class Stack{ F f ; .... } If I compile F first javac can't find Stack. If I compile Stack first, it can't find F. I'm hosed. What do I do? The answer is at [URL]http://mindprod.com/jgloss/javacexe.html#CIRCULAR[/URL] [/QUOTE]