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Message: [QUOTE="Walter Roberson, post: 2453363"] Mark's claim is that there exists at least one standards-compliant system under which at least one standards-complaint program can safely use gets(). Jordan's claim appears to be that gets() is unsafe for every *possible* standards-compliant program on every *possible* standards-compliant environment. Mark doesn't claim that gets() is safe in every environment or every program; nor does he claim that the safe program could be written in (say) less than a million lines of code -- just that at least one such safe program + environment combination exists. So... if the safe program involves freopen() on stdin and requires a single-user mono-tasking environment, then so be it: if it can be done *at all* then Mark would be right. Mark did say that it was "excessively hard" to do... [/QUOTE]