font-sized divs and hidden images

[Charles Banas]

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outside in a <hx>, a <hx> in a <p> isn't valid. also if you kept it as
an image it should still be in a <hx>

but for the layout behavior i want, i still need a containing div.

 

[Charles Banas]

Right on. Who gives a shit about the face that there's actually a person who
has to use the site as long as it fits what YOU want?

i was hoping to avoid attitudes and responses like this by posting here.

 

[Nik Coughin]

is that as widely available as Verdana?

Has shipped with Windows since Win 98. Not sure about on other OSs, try
Google. If you fall back to sans-serif it shouldn't matter anyway.
Personally I usually use font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif;

 

[Charles Banas]

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outside in a <hx>, a <hx> in a <p> isn't valid. also if you kept it as
an image it should still be in a <hx>

ah, sorry. didn't realize my text was in a div inside the container. i
was talking about the #overview container. my bad.

 

[Mark Parnell]

my reasoning would be to keep the image there for less supportive
browsers or in the absence of CSS. not really all that much of an issue
worth considering, it was just a thought.

Isn't it going to be the same image anyway? So regardless of whether
they download it from the <img> tag or from the CSS, they will still
only need to download it once anyway, as it will (generally) be cached.

 

[Nik Coughin]

is that as widely available as Verdana?

On a lighter note:

http://tinyurl.com/2o5rv

He should have used Porch instead.

 

[brucie]

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ah, sorry. didn't realize my text was in a div inside the container. i
was talking about the #overview container. my bad.

i cant get to your site at the moment but it should look something like
this:

<div id="overview">
<hx>text or image heading</hx>
<p>blah de blah blah etc</p>
</div>

 

[Nik Coughin]

in post: <Charles Banas <[email protected]> said:
<div id="overview">
<hx>text or image heading</hx>
<p>blah de blah blah etc</p>
</div>

hx?

Is that a way of writing <h1|h2|h3|h4|h5|h6>?

For a second I thought it was a real tag, and I was like, how come I haven't
heard of it before?

 

[brucie]

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i was hoping to avoid attitudes and responses like this by posting here.

you *really* picked the wrong group.

 

[brucie]

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hx? Is that a way of writing <h1|h2|h3|h4|h5|h6>?

yep i've also seen <hn> <h?> <h#> and <h*> used

 

[Charles Banas]

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you don't see the text becoming unreadable for some visitors a problem?

as i've stated elsewhere, most visitors sren't going to mess with their
font settings that way. i'm willing to fix it, but the arguments on
that page are weak and don't really give me much of a reason to use
anything other than Verdana. after all, i wasn't using just "Verdana",
i had it set to fall back on two other fonts before sans-serif, which i
had thought would be acceptable.

you people are impossible to please.

your visitors don't even know you why would they care what you like or
that their likes are the same as yours.

i'm sure some people would agree that MS Mincho isn't exactly a pretty
font for roman characters.

just specify a generic family for your fonts. you get to keep the look
you want and the visitor gets to use their preferred font for that
family

since i'm using UTF-8 encoding on the page (which i need for Japanese
and Korean-language support), IE will default to MS Mincho or MS Gothic,
both of which are very poor fonts for roman letters. i want to use a
different sans-serif font than those on IE, one that supports unicode.
Verdana supports unicode, and it's a nice readable font to boot.

 

[Mark Parnell]

is that as widely available as Verdana?

You do realise that there are actually a couple of different fonts
called Verdana - there is the Windows one that you know, but various
Linux releases have a font called Verdana too - which isn't oversized
like the Windows variant.

If you are going to use Verdana, at least leave the font size at 100%.
Don't try and compensate for your choice of a large font by reducing the
font size.

 

[Charles Banas]

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you *really* picked the wrong group.

i see i *really* have.

don't bother replying to the rest of my posts. i didn't get the helpful
people i had been hoping for, and i didn't get my questions answered,
just suggestions that break the whole design and layout.

i really did pick a bad group to hang out with.

 

[Jim Roberts]

i was hoping to avoid attitudes and responses like this by posting
here.

you *really* picked the wrong group.

Yeah, these Usenet guys are a surly lot...

 

[Mark Parnell]

i had it set to fall back on two other fonts before sans-serif, which i
had thought would be acceptable.

2 other fonts which are smaller than Verdana, so even if the font is
readable for those with the same Verdana font as you, it probably won't
be for anyone with a) a different font called Verdana or b) no Verdana.

you people are impossible to please.

Hey, if you don't want your visitors to be able to read your site,
that's up to you. We're just making sure you realise that it will
happen.

 

[Spartanicus]

looking at it fresh today, i'm finding that the container div's height
was the only thing pushing #contentbody down, out from under the
headers. this is exactly the problem i was trying to avoid by having
the height there to begin with.

Take Brucie's advice, drop the positioning, then you don't need the
height.

 

[brucie]

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i see i *really* have.
don't bother replying to the rest of my posts.

as this is a public forum i can do whatever i feel like as long as i
don't violate my applicable AUP/TOSs. i will reply to any post i feel
like. if you have a problem use your killfile.

i didn't get the helpful people i had been hoping for,

you got very good advice which you can ignore if you feel like it but
its not our fault if your lack intelligence prevents you from
recognizing it.

and i didn't get my questions answered,

the help desk is that way ----> please have your credit card ready.

 

[Spartanicus]

see, i assume a general audience that will probably leave their text
settings alone. IE isn't exactly the easiest browser to customize, IMO,
and so i make that assumption.

It fails under other circumstances also.

if you've got a better idea, then speak up.

Don't attempt to set the font size, leave it to the user.

telling me i have a problem
without suggesting anything honestly isn't very helpful.

Good luck with that attitude of yours, in future I won't bother.

 

[Charles Banas]

as this is a public forum i can do whatever i feel like as long as i
don't violate my applicable AUP/TOSs. i will reply to any post i feel
like. if you have a problem use your killfile.

i agree with you. entirely.

but look at it from my perspective: if you're not being helpful, why
are you posting?

you got very good advice which you can ignore if you feel like it but
its not our fault if your lack intelligence prevents you from
recognizing it.

you sesort to insulting my intelligence, reasserting your own deluded
view that you are more intelligent than me and therefore are beter
suited than any other to give advice.

when you come down from your high chair, i might be more receptive to you.

the help desk is that way ----> please have your credit card ready.

oh, really, you think i would pay for your "services"?

 

[Charles Banas]

Take Brucie's advice, drop the positioning, then you don't need the
height.

i tried without the positioning and found i needed it. then i tried
with the positioning and find i need to do without it.

i need it to work. positioning with a height works, but isn't good
enough. using floats (the only other option i can see) was good enough
until formatting problems showed up in #contentbody.

i need all of these elements to work together. to brucie's credit, his
suggestion was a good one, and i tried it. but it doesn't work because
it doesn't take into account the behavior of the rest of the page.

do you have another suggestion, or shuold i jsut move on?