Help - P2P connection in .Net - like Yahoo does for IM

[Mahesh Devjibhai Dhola]

Hi,

I want to develop p2p (peer-to-peer) communication connection for chat in
..Net (Lang: c# - preferable)
NOTE: if two LAN are behind their own router then also it should work as
yahoo, msn messenger works.

Let me explain scenario:
In yahoo:
- We login to yahoo server from yahoo messenger (yahoo server listens at
port 5050).
- We get list of yahoo users in our friend list of messenger.
- Let's say I am P1 with local IP (LAN) with 192.168.0.10 with some external
IP.
(At my side, I am using Internet connection sharing from one PC - let's say
it will have some external IP through which it connect my LAN to internet
and will have 192.168.0.1 IP because we have enabled ICS.)
- We double click on one ONLINE user say P2 with Local IP 192.168.0.5 (P2
will have same scenario as P1 - uses ICS)
- we write a message and send to P2 (This message is first goes to yahoo
server and then server will send it to P2 and then P1 and P2 will be
connected directly as P2P.
{I don't know how yahoo server creates P2P connection between P1 and P2})
- We get message from P2 if he write something.

Now P1 and P2 don't use Yahoo server and connected directly as P2P
connection.
P1 has started the communication for IM so P1 will have 5101 listening port
in case of Yahoo, and P2 will send message to 5101 port.

if P1 and P2 both are behind router then also the communication is possible
in case of yahoo messenger without making any change in router configuration
and both P1 and P2 can chat.
(i am sure about this with DLink router)
So, in this way P1 > 192.168.0.10:5101 (from one LAN) is connected with P2 >
192.168.0.5: xxxx (from another LAN). And both LAN is connected with
Internet through router or ICS server with an External IP uses for outer
interaction with Internet.
(I got all the information about Yahoo communication by capturing and
analyzing the network packets.)
I think this is the same case as IRC or MSN messenger also, just chat
protocols are different. Yahoo uses YMSG protocol.

Question: how this is possible with .Net?
Or if it is not possible through .Net APIs then how can we achieve the
functionality of P2P like yahoo messenger?

I have tried a lot using Sockets in .Net but still not able to solve this.
Please help me out of this.

I am able to connect P1 to P2 if P2 is on the internet with some
external/static IP but cant if it's behind router (like P2 in case of Yahoo
in above explanation).
Now if we provide some server like application then also P1 and P2 can
connect that server but how P1 will communicate with P2 as P2P
communication?
How the server or P1 can establish P2P connection with P2?

Please provide me some idea... Help me out of this....

Thanks in advance,

Mahesh Devjibhai Dhola
"Empower yourself...."

 

[bruce barker]

the way yahoo, msn, aol and irc do messaging is thru their servers working
as a switch. the clients maintain a connection to the messaging server farm
(each server should support about 10k connection each). when p1 sends to p2,
the messaging farm routes the packets between them. in the case of a web
based client, some javascript is used poll the messaging farm in a hidden
window for messages.

in true internet p2p application (most games), udp is used, with some
internet server working as the name resolution server (as dns will not
work). the server is used to allow peers to discover each other and exchange
ipaddresses.

-- bruce (sqlwork.com)



| Hi,
|
| I want to develop p2p (peer-to-peer) communication connection for chat in
| .Net (Lang: c# - preferable)
| NOTE: if two LAN are behind their own router then also it should work as
| yahoo, msn messenger works.
|
| Let me explain scenario:
| In yahoo:
| - We login to yahoo server from yahoo messenger (yahoo server listens at
| port 5050).
| - We get list of yahoo users in our friend list of messenger.
| - Let's say I am P1 with local IP (LAN) with 192.168.0.10 with some
external
| IP.
| (At my side, I am using Internet connection sharing from one PC - let's
say
| it will have some external IP through which it connect my LAN to internet
| and will have 192.168.0.1 IP because we have enabled ICS.)
| - We double click on one ONLINE user say P2 with Local IP 192.168.0.5 (P2
| will have same scenario as P1 - uses ICS)
| - we write a message and send to P2 (This message is first goes to yahoo
| server and then server will send it to P2 and then P1 and P2 will be
| connected directly as P2P.
| {I don't know how yahoo server creates P2P connection between P1 and P2})
| - We get message from P2 if he write something.
|
| Now P1 and P2 don't use Yahoo server and connected directly as P2P
| connection.
| P1 has started the communication for IM so P1 will have 5101 listening
port
| in case of Yahoo, and P2 will send message to 5101 port.
|
| if P1 and P2 both are behind router then also the communication is
possible
| in case of yahoo messenger without making any change in router
configuration
| and both P1 and P2 can chat.
| (i am sure about this with DLink router)
| So, in this way P1 > 192.168.0.10:5101 (from one LAN) is connected with P2| 192.168.0.5: xxxx (from another LAN). And both LAN is connected with
| Internet through router or ICS server with an External IP uses for outer
| interaction with Internet.
| (I got all the information about Yahoo communication by capturing and
| analyzing the network packets.)
| I think this is the same case as IRC or MSN messenger also, just chat
| protocols are different. Yahoo uses YMSG protocol.
|
| Question: how this is possible with .Net?
| Or if it is not possible through .Net APIs then how can we achieve the
| functionality of P2P like yahoo messenger?
|
| I have tried a lot using Sockets in .Net but still not able to solve this.
| Please help me out of this.
|
| I am able to connect P1 to P2 if P2 is on the internet with some
| external/static IP but cant if it's behind router (like P2 in case of
Yahoo
| in above explanation).
| Now if we provide some server like application then also P1 and P2 can
| connect that server but how P1 will communicate with P2 as P2P
| communication?
| How the server or P1 can establish P2P connection with P2?
|
| Please provide me some idea... Help me out of this....
|
| Thanks in advance,
|
| Mahesh Devjibhai Dhola
| "Empower yourself...."
|
|

 

[Mahesh Devjibhai Dhola]

Thank you bruce,
I got little help from your answer,
Can you give me some idea that how can I achieve it into .Net? I mean how
server switching type of implementation can be achieve in dot net?

Thanks again,
Mahesh