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Message: [QUOTE="Guest, post: 5021153"] if I put cstring in I got a compilation error. If I put string in I didn't. well, its usually a good idea not to use using namespace std; but I was assuming it was masking a std::string not defined diagnostic (I never use "using namespace std;") but i was mistaken. On Visual C++ anyway. this line gave this error <snip> this is cut down version of the program I used to find the bug #include <fstream> #include <cstring> int main () { struct{int chronum;std::string pname;int next;} plist[50],temp; std::ifstream fin; fin.open("pres.dat"); fin >> plist[n].pname; return 0; } is it really necessary to put the struct definition all on one line? Some blank lines would have been nice. [/QUOTE]