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Message: [QUOTE="Martin Gregorie, post: 3796307"] *I'm* not attributing anything. All I've done was make a set of we b searches and list what I found. I think that's a moot point. The people who did it were employed by the companies at the time and so presumably their management thought their work contributed to the bottom line. That applies to a whole lot of companies from Sun through the biotech startups. Do you classify Java development and the various biotech advances as academic projects or products? True, but quite possibly the profit motive provided funds and motivation that may be lacking in academia. I'm not grinding any axes. I got curious, picked a bunch of important developments, checked attributions via searches and posted the results to add some ballast to what was becoming a fact-free hand waving exercise. I think Lew has it about right. Chicken? Or egg? Maybe chicken? .... [/QUOTE]