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Message: [QUOTE="JSH, post: 3614548"] Simpler to me if it's all incorrect. Kind of preferable. Have you ever been on a product development team from the beginning all the way to the end? Any idea the effort involved to get an app out there from first steps to a full blown product? My take on reading posts in this thread is that none of you have ever been on major Java coding project from inception to product release as you seem to think it's easier than it is. I like mentioning Class Viewer because it's great for perspective where that's a simple app, that primarily is just a middle-ware app between Java Reflections and the coder, which just makes the raw output from Java Reflections easier to read, and also will take you to javadocs directly (I know suddenly sounding like a commercial but I have a point here). That project is not a lot of lines of code, and is a very simple concept and it took YEARS for Class Viewer to reach its current form though that was with me doing all the programming. The energy investment and the time investment that you all seem to take for granted is almost unimaginable which is what's necessary to get to world class where your app comes up higher in search engines than one Microsoft has of the same name or one that World of Warcraft has of the same name. World class. When you people have your own major apps on the world stage that dominate at the top of the heap then you come back to me and explain how I should step out a major project, as then you'll have some real world experience versus some vague notion where I think you take for granted all these wonderful apps out there, without understanding the pain, energy and time that all of the world class applications and applications packages and operating systems took, from Windows to Google to Linux, to Open Office, to Microsoft Word, all the way to my little Class Viewer. So don't think you can tell me how to do a major app until you tell me what you put out the door that I can Google and see you know because you've done SOMETHING yourself. James Harris [/QUOTE]

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