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Message: [QUOTE="John B. Matthews, post: 3965228"] <5e8f1bb3-7e71-4472-8b52-cd2d634589b3@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.co m>, I appreciate your thoughts on this. I guess I was surprised that a demo of this sort would require unrestricted access. I guess I was hoping for something useful even if permission were denied. Something like one of these: <[URL]http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews/subway[/URL]> <[URL]http://mindprod.com/applet/wassup.html[/URL]> Indeed, the OP's archive is a hefty 5551346 bytes, much of which appears to be Borland classes and Sun code for the entire SwingSet2 demo. [/QUOTE]