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Message: [QUOTE="Paul Lynch, post: 4526796"] The closest thing I am aware of is SOPE (http:// sope.opengroupware.org/index.html), which is a superset of NGObjWeb. This is what I was referring to as "not very compatible" with WebObjects - mostly because the database layer is rather different, but other reasons apply as well; SOPE is still active. It is just that Skyrix split SOPE into the opengroupware site. To put it into perspective, you might think that SOPE is to WebObjects as Rails without ActiveRecord is to full Rails. Kinda. The last news post at [URL="http://www.gnustepweb.org"]www.gnustepweb.org[/URL] was dated 2003 :(. Paul [/QUOTE]