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Message: [QUOTE="Zach Dennis, post: 4433108"] Since the CLI is mostly used by developers, hard core users, wannabe geeks and system administrators i don't really see the need to make the CLI this user friendly. Not everything is meant to be a all in one jack in the box with instructions on how to crank the lever. Would you like ASCII drawn color images next to give the uesr a visual cue as well? Ok, the last place I want an end user is on the command line. They might hurt themselves or the machine. And if you don't know how to use a product, operating system, programming language, etc... RTFM. As operating systems upgrade they may include all of these nice step by step guides and procedures on how to do something, but since everything is merely a perspective away I think that it causes more of a problem then it solves. One person may like "cp", another "copy", another "duplicate", another "clone" , another "copyfile", and the list can go on and on. To support every variation would be a waste of developer time. And if you say dont' support them all only support "copy" then you are being selfish and only looking at this from your perspective. At some point someone had to make the decision for it to be consistent across the board and I applaud them. I have never used any languageset besides the default english one that comes with any OS, but I would be interested to see if the spanish version changes "cp" to "~cpiol" or some variation. If commands are consistent across languages then I even more so disagree with you. Only insecure people who like to feel like they are 1 step higher then others on the food chain do this. It makes them feel like somehow they are better, smarter, more intelligent! Computers aren't innate, nothing in technology is. Everything you know you have learned. You don't have a two year old who innately knows how configure a syslogd server one day. Cryptic? cp to do a file copy isn't cryptic. An MD5 Hash of cp to do a file copy is cryptic. No let's put a giant red button on each machine that says format, so they can go push it. Anyways that is why children start with LeapFrog when they are young, then they progress to using a computer. Then they learn on how to use the computer. And Linux is a hit with Linux users, BSD is a hit with BSD users and Windows is a hit with uneducated users. ;) MacOSX and MS Windows are the only OS's where the Apple or Microsoft tried to reach every age, child, race and religion of computers. Linux/BSD/UNIX were never intended that way. You are taking the problem that Linux/BSD/UNIX solve and trying to reshape it. Again the *Nix OS's were never intended to be an all in one jack in the box. That is Windows and OSX's job. And although Windows and OS X are very pretty they run much slower then my CLI nix box and because they have nice pretty icons ticks me off, especially when the icons by default in Windows Longhorn are half the size of my 21" monitor. There are distributions of Linux that aim for this sort of thing. Maybe you should google for it or check it out....[URL]http://www.linuxiso.org[/URL] User friendliness is not a bad thing, but realize most *nix people don't use *nix for UI's and GUI's. Most *nix users won't have a need for a intuitive all in one UI and GUI. So why would they want to support it, if it doesn't necessarily benefit them? And there are distro's aimed for UI and GUI friendliness, go look at the link I gave you and browse the different distros. When you go buy technical books do you look for the popup books? If so I can totally see where you are coming from and why you had so much frustration finding "cp". Also if you would have moved from Unix to Windows, you be asking where "cp" was and wtf "copy" was there. Zach [/QUOTE]

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