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Message: [QUOTE="Greg Willits, post: 4578842"] Thanks for piping up and saying "don't use that." I agree :-) All this is exactly why condition ? do_stuff is very useful. Compact. Readable. Logical. Efficient. Even if it is not a true ternary. I have plenty enough experience in dynamic, reflective, OO programming, to figure out the bulk of Ruby, but Ruby does seems to have its own way of approaching some things compared to my experience. I know there's a book called The Ruby Way -- does it tend to address these kinds of usage idioms where "method 2 out of 4 tends to be the way most people do it"? -- gw [/QUOTE]