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Message: [QUOTE="Tamas K Papp, post: 4872034"] I have read your post and understood it, but I am not really interested in getting into meta-discussions. So when you said "ignoring the horribleness and the abominable in another language because you do understand it", what another language were you referring to? Perl, CL, or something else? When you made a statement about "ignoring the horribleness and the abominable in another language", I thought you meant Common Lisp. Did you mean Perl? Tamas [/QUOTE]