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Message: [QUOTE="Karl Seguin, post: 452329"] Steve: You've pretty much summed up the limitation and advantages of both methods. My suggestion to those wishing to learn how to utilize custom server controls has always been to start slowly and build up on your knowledge. For example, I often say that it's important to start with simple custom server controls which inherit existing server controls (say a label you always want a colon appended to) and move forward. Yes, you should continue learning about them as they provide tremendous flexibility. There are plenty of online tutorials and examples as well to help you. I've also used [URL]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735615829/103-0635232-3339822?v=glance[/URL] though I'm not sure I recommend it. In my opinion the book is extremely hard to follow and often makes custom server controls an even more complicated thing. Finally, an alternative to using Render is to use the CreateControl method which would let you add your table programatically. Table table = new HtmlTable(); .... however there are both downsides and upsides to this alternative... Cheers, Karl [/QUOTE]