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Message: [QUOTE="James Kanze, post: 2990792"] Correct. To be a POD, there must be a trivial default constructor, copy constructor, assignment operator and destructor. A user defined version is never trivial. (Note however that the absense of a user defined version doesn't guarantee triviality.) I do exactly the same in some particular cases. On one hand, you want to be able to write things like "return MyRect(...);", without having to declare a variable. On the other, in specific contexts, I needed to ensure static initialization, in order to avoid order of initialization issues. [/QUOTE]