Discussion in 'C Programming' started by Anshum Kocher, Sep 25, 2011.

1. Anshum KocherGuest

main()
{
unsigned int i=10;
while(i-->=0)
printf("%u ",i);
int a[10];
printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);

}
This leads to an infinite loop

main()
{
unsigned int i=10;
while(i-=1>=0)
printf("%u ",i);
int a[10];
printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);

}

But this does not why?

Anshum Kocher, Sep 25, 2011

2. Harald van DÄ³kGuest

On Sep 25, 3:32 pm, Anshum Kocher <> wrote:
>  main()

int main(void)

> {
>   unsigned int i=10;
>   while(i-->=0)

The condition is equivalent to i>=0, with the side effect of
decrementing i. As i is unsigned, i>=0 is always true.

>     printf("%u ",i);

Missing #include <stdio.h>

> int a[10];
>   printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);

I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, and it doesn't seem

>
> }
>
> This leads to an infinite loop
>
>  main()
> {
>   unsigned int i=10;
>   while(i-=1>=0)

If you meant while((i-=1)>=0), you would have another infinite loop,
but this means while(i-=(1>=0)). 1>=0 is just a fancy way of writing
1, so it means while(i-=1), or if you prefer while((i-=1)!=0).

>     printf("%u ",i);
> int a[10];
>   printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);
>
> }
>
> But this does not why?

And an unsigned int can be 0, so i != 0 is not a useless comparison.
It cannot be negative, so i >= 0 is useless, i >= 0 is always true.

Harald van DÄ³k, Sep 25, 2011

3. Jens Thoms ToerringGuest

Anshum Kocher <> wrote:
> main()

int main( void )

> {
> unsigned int i=10;
> while(i-->=0)
> printf("%u ",i);
> int a[10];
> printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);

> }
> This leads to an infinite loop

> main()
> {
> unsigned int i=10;
> while(i-=1>=0)

This could be written much simpler as

while ( i -= 1 )

(note that '-=' has a much lower precedence than '>='
and that '1 >= 0' evaluates to 1) and thus the loop
ends when 'i' has been decremented to 0. If you would
like the same effect as above you'd need

while ( ( i =- 1 ) >= 0 )

Regards, Jens
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Jens Thoms Toerring, Sep 25, 2011
4. Kleuskes & MoosGuest

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 06:32:12 -0700, Anshum Kocher wrote:

> main()
> {
> unsigned int i=10;
> while(i-->=0)
> printf("%u ",i);
> int a[10];
> printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);
>
>
> }
> This leads to an infinite loop

It should. Can an unsigned integer be negative? If not, why do
you expect that loop to be finite?

> main()
> {
> unsigned int i=10;
> while(i-=1>=0)
> printf("%u ",i);
> int a[10];
> printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);
> }
>
> But this does not why?

In the second case, the condition isn't what you think it is. Suggestion:
Change "while(i-=1>=0)" to "while((i-=1)>=0)", thus forcing a particular
precedence and see what happens.

More advice: keep boolean expressions and assignments strictly separated,
avoid clever tricks like the plague and be copious with '(' and ')' if
you have _any_ doubts about operator precedence.

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Kleuskes & Moos, Sep 25, 2011
5. SeebsGuest

In most dialects of English, a "doubt" is what happens when someone
tells you something but you do not believe them. If you want something
explained, what you have is a question or an uncertainty.

On 2011-09-25, Anshum Kocher <> wrote:
> main()

You should declare this as:
int main(void);

> {
> unsigned int i=10;
> while(i-->=0)
> printf("%u ",i);

You should not use printf without #including <stdio.h>.

> int a[10];
> printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);

You should not refer to uninitialized variables.

> }
> This leads to an infinite loop

It seems as though it would, yes.

> main()
> {
> unsigned int i=10;
> while(i-=1>=0)
> printf("%u ",i);
> int a[10];
> printf("%d",*a+1-*a+3);
> }

> But this does not why?

Parentheses.

What you have written is:
while (i -= (1 >= 0))
...
so we calculate whether 1 >= 0, it is, so (1 >= 0) is 1, and this is
equivalent to
while (i -= 1)
which terminates when i is 0.

-s
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Seebs, Sep 26, 2011
6. Mark BluemelGuest

On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Seebs wrote:
> In most dialects of English, a "doubt" is what happens when someone
> tells you something but you do not believe them. If you want something
> explained, what you have is a question or an uncertainty.

I would think that by now native speakers of Indian English have been
posting to UseNet, including this newsgroup, long enough for this
discussion to be dead and buried.

In the dialect of English the OP is familiar with, "doubt" is pretty
much synonymous with "uncertainty".

Given that his query was perfectly intelligible, quibbling about the
difference between his dialect and yours seems petty.

Mark Bluemel, Sep 27, 2011
7. Kenny McCormackGuest

In article <j5rung\$cfp\$>,
Mark Bluemel <> wrote:
>On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Seebs wrote:
>> In most dialects of English, a "doubt" is what happens when someone
>> tells you something but you do not believe them. If you want something
>> explained, what you have is a question or an uncertainty.

>
>I would think that by now native speakers of Indian English have been
>posting to UseNet, including this newsgroup, long enough for this
>discussion to be dead and buried.
>
>In the dialect of English the OP is familiar with, "doubt" is pretty
>much synonymous with "uncertainty".
>
>Given that his query was perfectly intelligible, quibbling about the
>difference between his dialect and yours seems petty.
>

Welcome to CLC! We hope you enjoy your stay.

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Just for a change of pace, this sig is *not* an obscure reference to
comp.lang.c...

Kenny McCormack, Sep 27, 2011
8. Phil CarmodyGuest

Mark Bluemel <> writes:
> On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Seebs wrote:
> > In most dialects of English, a "doubt" is what happens when someone
> > tells you something but you do not believe them. If you want something
> > explained, what you have is a question or an uncertainty.

>
> I would think that by now native speakers of Indian English have been
> posting to UseNet, including this newsgroup, long enough for this
> discussion to be dead and buried.
>
> In the dialect of English the OP is familiar with, "doubt" is pretty
> much synonymous with "uncertainty".
>
> Given that his query was perfectly intelligible, quibbling about the
> difference between his dialect and yours seems petty.

But warning the OP that the terminology he's using is far from
universal and likely to be misunderstood by many is helpful.

Phil
--
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
-- Napoleon

Phil Carmody, Sep 27, 2011
9. Kenny McCormackGuest

In article <>,
Phil Carmody <> wrote:
....
>But warning the OP that the terminology he's using is far from
>universal and likely to be misunderstood by many is helpful.

Welcome to CLC! We hope you enjoy your stay.

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no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

- John Kenneth Galbraith -

Kenny McCormack, Sep 27, 2011
10. NobodyGuest

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:05:29 +0300, Phil Carmody wrote:

>> Given that his query was perfectly intelligible, quibbling about the
>> difference between his dialect and yours seems petty.

>
> But warning the OP that the terminology he's using is far from
> universal and likely to be misunderstood by many is helpful.

It may be far from universal, but it's quite unlikely to be misunderstood.
I've been seeing that usage for as long as I've been on usenet, and I've
never had any doubt as to the meaning, nor have I seen anyone else who
genuinely didn't understand it (as opposed to people who simply don't like
to be reminded that their dialect isn't actually universal).

Nobody, Sep 27, 2011
11. SeebsGuest

On 2011-09-27, Nobody <> wrote:
> It may be far from universal, but it's quite unlikely to be misunderstood.

I've seen it misunderstood several times. And since it can end up being
used in a case where it implies thinking someone is lying to you when you
actually just aren't sure what they said, it can lead to unpleasantness.

-s
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Seebs, Sep 27, 2011
12. SeebsGuest

On 2011-09-27, Mark Bluemel <> wrote:
> I would think that by now native speakers of Indian English have been
> posting to UseNet, including this newsgroup, long enough for this
> discussion to be dead and buried.

Not really.

> In the dialect of English the OP is familiar with, "doubt" is pretty
> much synonymous with "uncertainty".

That seems likely.

> Given that his query was perfectly intelligible, quibbling about the
> difference between his dialect and yours seems petty.

When someone's dialect will, unbenknownst to him, cause a billion or so
people to think he speaks English poorly, because they don't know that
dialect, or lead to misunderstandings, I consider it helpful to pass on
the information.

-s
--
Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach /
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions.

Seebs, Sep 27, 2011