End H1B's now. American jobs for American programmers

Discussion in 'ASP .Net' started by DANIEL HENEGHAN, Sep 25, 2004.

  1. Election day is coming up. It is clear that the interestes of tech workers
    do not lay with either of the parties, therefore the best strategry for your
    interests is to punish the incumbent, George Bush.

    During the past 4 years 400,000 tech jobs have been lost. Despite this the
    govenment not only clings on to the discredited H1B program but is actually
    advocating for an increase in the number of foreigners to be brought over
    and take American jobs. It is absurd to argue that these are jobs that
    Americans cannot/willnot do. Americans are the best software developers in
    the world, are now and always have been. Name a single significant product
    or develope that ever came from India or China.

    Nonetheless, industry and ethnic advocates have hoodwinked American
    politicians and the gullible sheep that we refer to as mainstream media.
    Industry id not hoodwinked, they want their labor to be cheap, fearful and
    pliable. H1B's do nothing to advance the interestes of the vast majority of
    Americans, they only advance the interests of a miniscule minority of
    ethinic advocates (Indian, Chinese, Latin) and greedy entrepreuners who only
    care of their own fortune, not yours.

    Bush did not create this problem, but he has presided over it for 4 years,
    has done nothing and is inclined to make it worse. Punish Bush at the polls
    for his contempt of the American worker and his family. These worlds come
    from a life-long Republican.

    regards,

    --
    Daniel Heneghan
    Ceara Systems
    (212) 696-9208
     
    DANIEL HENEGHAN, Sep 25, 2004
    #1
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  2. DANIEL  HENEGHAN

    CJ Taylor Guest

    Is this necessary every 6 months Dan?



    "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    news:zbm5d.120$...
    > Election day is coming up. It is clear that the interestes of tech workers
    > do not lay with either of the parties, therefore the best strategry for

    your
    > interests is to punish the incumbent, George Bush.
    >
    > During the past 4 years 400,000 tech jobs have been lost. Despite this the
    > govenment not only clings on to the discredited H1B program but is

    actually
    > advocating for an increase in the number of foreigners to be brought over
    > and take American jobs. It is absurd to argue that these are jobs that
    > Americans cannot/willnot do. Americans are the best software developers in
    > the world, are now and always have been. Name a single significant product
    > or develope that ever came from India or China.
    >
    > Nonetheless, industry and ethnic advocates have hoodwinked American
    > politicians and the gullible sheep that we refer to as mainstream media.
    > Industry id not hoodwinked, they want their labor to be cheap, fearful and
    > pliable. H1B's do nothing to advance the interestes of the vast majority

    of
    > Americans, they only advance the interests of a miniscule minority of
    > ethinic advocates (Indian, Chinese, Latin) and greedy entrepreuners who

    only
    > care of their own fortune, not yours.
    >
    > Bush did not create this problem, but he has presided over it for 4 years,
    > has done nothing and is inclined to make it worse. Punish Bush at the

    polls
    > for his contempt of the American worker and his family. These worlds come
    > from a life-long Republican.
    >
    > regards,
    >
    > --
    > Daniel Heneghan
    > Ceara Systems
    > (212) 696-9208
    >
    >
    >
     
    CJ Taylor, Sep 26, 2004
    #2
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  3. We are getting close to the election, prepare to get it about twice a week,
    herein.
    "CJ Taylor" <cege [ahh ttt] tavayn wooohooo hooo ohhh com> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Is this necessary every 6 months Dan?
    >
    >
    >
    > "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    > news:zbm5d.120$...
    > > Election day is coming up. It is clear that the interestes of tech

    workers
    > > do not lay with either of the parties, therefore the best strategry for

    > your
    > > interests is to punish the incumbent, George Bush.
    > >
    > > During the past 4 years 400,000 tech jobs have been lost. Despite this

    the
    > > govenment not only clings on to the discredited H1B program but is

    > actually
    > > advocating for an increase in the number of foreigners to be brought

    over
    > > and take American jobs. It is absurd to argue that these are jobs that
    > > Americans cannot/willnot do. Americans are the best software developers

    in
    > > the world, are now and always have been. Name a single significant

    product
    > > or develope that ever came from India or China.
    > >
    > > Nonetheless, industry and ethnic advocates have hoodwinked American
    > > politicians and the gullible sheep that we refer to as mainstream media.
    > > Industry id not hoodwinked, they want their labor to be cheap, fearful

    and
    > > pliable. H1B's do nothing to advance the interestes of the vast majority

    > of
    > > Americans, they only advance the interests of a miniscule minority of
    > > ethinic advocates (Indian, Chinese, Latin) and greedy entrepreuners who

    > only
    > > care of their own fortune, not yours.
    > >
    > > Bush did not create this problem, but he has presided over it for 4

    years,
    > > has done nothing and is inclined to make it worse. Punish Bush at the

    > polls
    > > for his contempt of the American worker and his family. These worlds

    come
    > > from a life-long Republican.
    > >
    > > regards,
    > >
    > > --
    > > Daniel Heneghan
    > > Ceara Systems
    > > (212) 696-9208
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    DANIEL HENEGHAN, Sep 27, 2004
    #3
  4. CJ,

    If you think that I am distorting evidence or otherwise not being trutfull
    in my assessment and opinion of the H1B program, the false, dishonest,
    assumptions that went into it, and the real harmful impact that it has had
    on hundreds of thousands of American workers, then call me on it. Tell me
    where I am wrong.

    regards,
    "CJ Taylor" <cege [ahh ttt] tavayn wooohooo hooo ohhh com> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Is this necessary every 6 months Dan?
    >
    >
    >
    > "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    > news:zbm5d.120$...
    > > Election day is coming up. It is clear that the interestes of tech

    workers
    > > do not lay with either of the parties, therefore the best strategry for

    > your
    > > interests is to punish the incumbent, George Bush.
    > >
    > > During the past 4 years 400,000 tech jobs have been lost. Despite this

    the
    > > govenment not only clings on to the discredited H1B program but is

    > actually
    > > advocating for an increase in the number of foreigners to be brought

    over
    > > and take American jobs. It is absurd to argue that these are jobs that
    > > Americans cannot/willnot do. Americans are the best software developers

    in
    > > the world, are now and always have been. Name a single significant

    product
    > > or develope that ever came from India or China.
    > >
    > > Nonetheless, industry and ethnic advocates have hoodwinked American
    > > politicians and the gullible sheep that we refer to as mainstream media.
    > > Industry id not hoodwinked, they want their labor to be cheap, fearful

    and
    > > pliable. H1B's do nothing to advance the interestes of the vast majority

    > of
    > > Americans, they only advance the interests of a miniscule minority of
    > > ethinic advocates (Indian, Chinese, Latin) and greedy entrepreuners who

    > only
    > > care of their own fortune, not yours.
    > >
    > > Bush did not create this problem, but he has presided over it for 4

    years,
    > > has done nothing and is inclined to make it worse. Punish Bush at the

    > polls
    > > for his contempt of the American worker and his family. These worlds

    come
    > > from a life-long Republican.
    > >
    > > regards,
    > >
    > > --
    > > Daniel Heneghan
    > > Ceara Systems
    > > (212) 696-9208
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    DANIEL HENEGHAN, Sep 27, 2004
    #4
  5. DANIEL  HENEGHAN

    CJ Taylor Guest

    Daniel,

    We talked about this a couple months ago. I don't think that H1B's can be
    considered the primary reason, if even the secondary reason for a 400,000+
    IT job fallout. If anything it goes back to April of 2001 when a lot of
    companies were called on the carpet for inflated/false returns. No money,
    no jobs, american and H1B both.

    As for foreigners coming over to take American jobs, and being encouraged to
    do so. I don't necessarily consider that to be false. But so many
    Americans are just asking for way too much money from companies that don't
    have it to pay them. The days of a 150,000+/yr w/ 50k+ signing and car, cat
    and boat are just over. And no one seems to want to settle on that.

    As for American's being the best software developers in the world? Well,
    for american companies sure, if you can afford them (because it seems all of
    them are 1099's) and get what you want out of them. But I have seen a lot
    of consultants and independent developers pull a lot of bait-and-switch
    tactics as well, especially around project completion. Or suddenly have
    hidden charges. It's a tainted market.

    I believe everyone should be paid. And I believe that Americans should have
    American jobs, don't get me wrong there. But at the same time, I think 90%
    of the software development market is complete s***. There are a lot, and I
    do mean *a lot* of hacks out there. American and H1B both. Hell, you have
    even more in the offshore development houses (not all... there are a few out
    there that are good).

    So coming down to it, is it H1B's fault? Maybe, but not the cause. There
    are just a lot of bad programmers out there, no one knows who to trust and
    money isn't flying around like it used to.

    But if you think John Kerry is going to straigten this thing out, you've got
    another thing coming. It took him months to finally make a vague statement
    of how he would handle Iraq. A war he wants/doesn't want/wants/doesn't
    want/wants/doesn't want to be a part of. How do you think he's going to
    handle this?

    Peace,
    CJ



    "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:SL5d.3748$...
    > CJ,
    >
    > If you think that I am distorting evidence or otherwise not being trutfull
    > in my assessment and opinion of the H1B program, the false, dishonest,
    > assumptions that went into it, and the real harmful impact that it has had
    > on hundreds of thousands of American workers, then call me on it. Tell me
    > where I am wrong.
    >
    > regards,
    > "CJ Taylor" <cege [ahh ttt] tavayn wooohooo hooo ohhh com> wrote in

    message
    > news:...
    > > Is this necessary every 6 months Dan?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    > > news:zbm5d.120$...
    > > > Election day is coming up. It is clear that the interestes of tech

    > workers
    > > > do not lay with either of the parties, therefore the best strategry

    for
    > > your
    > > > interests is to punish the incumbent, George Bush.
    > > >
    > > > During the past 4 years 400,000 tech jobs have been lost. Despite this

    > the
    > > > govenment not only clings on to the discredited H1B program but is

    > > actually
    > > > advocating for an increase in the number of foreigners to be brought

    > over
    > > > and take American jobs. It is absurd to argue that these are jobs that
    > > > Americans cannot/willnot do. Americans are the best software

    developers
    > in
    > > > the world, are now and always have been. Name a single significant

    > product
    > > > or develope that ever came from India or China.
    > > >
    > > > Nonetheless, industry and ethnic advocates have hoodwinked American
    > > > politicians and the gullible sheep that we refer to as mainstream

    media.
    > > > Industry id not hoodwinked, they want their labor to be cheap, fearful

    > and
    > > > pliable. H1B's do nothing to advance the interestes of the vast

    majority
    > > of
    > > > Americans, they only advance the interests of a miniscule minority of
    > > > ethinic advocates (Indian, Chinese, Latin) and greedy entrepreuners

    who
    > > only
    > > > care of their own fortune, not yours.
    > > >
    > > > Bush did not create this problem, but he has presided over it for 4

    > years,
    > > > has done nothing and is inclined to make it worse. Punish Bush at the

    > > polls
    > > > for his contempt of the American worker and his family. These worlds

    > come
    > > > from a life-long Republican.
    > > >
    > > > regards,
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Daniel Heneghan
    > > > Ceara Systems
    > > > (212) 696-9208
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    CJ Taylor, Sep 27, 2004
    #5
  6. > Tell me where I am wrong.

    Okay, Daniel, here's where you're wrong:

    This is a Microsoft ASP.Net technical support newsgroup. This is not a
    platform for political debate. Therefore, your entire effort in this
    newsgroup is wrong. I could go on regarding your logic, but I would be as
    guilty as you if I did.

    Everyone thinks that their personal axe to grind is so important that an
    exception should be made. However, if you made an exception for everyone, it
    would be a rule, not an exception. Most of the rest of us realize that and
    behave accordingly.

    Please pontificate where it is appreciated and does NOT have the opposite
    effect from what you desire, that is, of driving people away from your point
    of view because they are so annoyed with your lack of common netiquette.

    --
    HTH,
    Kevin Spencer
    ..Net Developer
    Microsoft MVP
    I get paid good money to
    solve puzzles for a living

    "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:SL5d.3748$...
    > CJ,
    >
    > If you think that I am distorting evidence or otherwise not being trutfull
    > in my assessment and opinion of the H1B program, the false, dishonest,
    > assumptions that went into it, and the real harmful impact that it has had
    > on hundreds of thousands of American workers, then call me on it. Tell me
    > where I am wrong.
    >
    > regards,
    > "CJ Taylor" <cege [ahh ttt] tavayn wooohooo hooo ohhh com> wrote in

    message
    > news:...
    > > Is this necessary every 6 months Dan?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "DANIEL HENEGHAN" <> wrote in message
    > > news:zbm5d.120$...
    > > > Election day is coming up. It is clear that the interestes of tech

    > workers
    > > > do not lay with either of the parties, therefore the best strategry

    for
    > > your
    > > > interests is to punish the incumbent, George Bush.
    > > >
    > > > During the past 4 years 400,000 tech jobs have been lost. Despite this

    > the
    > > > govenment not only clings on to the discredited H1B program but is

    > > actually
    > > > advocating for an increase in the number of foreigners to be brought

    > over
    > > > and take American jobs. It is absurd to argue that these are jobs that
    > > > Americans cannot/willnot do. Americans are the best software

    developers
    > in
    > > > the world, are now and always have been. Name a single significant

    > product
    > > > or develope that ever came from India or China.
    > > >
    > > > Nonetheless, industry and ethnic advocates have hoodwinked American
    > > > politicians and the gullible sheep that we refer to as mainstream

    media.
    > > > Industry id not hoodwinked, they want their labor to be cheap, fearful

    > and
    > > > pliable. H1B's do nothing to advance the interestes of the vast

    majority
    > > of
    > > > Americans, they only advance the interests of a miniscule minority of
    > > > ethinic advocates (Indian, Chinese, Latin) and greedy entrepreuners

    who
    > > only
    > > > care of their own fortune, not yours.
    > > >
    > > > Bush did not create this problem, but he has presided over it for 4

    > years,
    > > > has done nothing and is inclined to make it worse. Punish Bush at the

    > > polls
    > > > for his contempt of the American worker and his family. These worlds

    > come
    > > > from a life-long Republican.
    > > >
    > > > regards,
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Daniel Heneghan
    > > > Ceara Systems
    > > > (212) 696-9208
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
    Kevin Spencer, Sep 27, 2004
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