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Cerebral Believer

Jim Moe said:
Without an URL showing your test case it is hard to give useful
suggestions.

Sorry this is still in the design stage on my computer. I think I have to
do some more in depth rather than cursory research given what others have
been saying here.
ROTFL!
Use % for font sizes, and specifically 100% for the main content font
size.
Use EMs for spacing around text.
This way your site adapts to the visitor's preferences, settings and
equipment.

Yes, percentages do seem to be the best option for expressing font sizes, I
agree. I had assumed that you could convert pixels to points by some kind
of ratio, but as I see that is laughably not true. Thanks for your
response.

Regards,
C.B.
 
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Cerebral Believer

Carolyn Marenger said:
Points are a unit of measure commonly used in the print industry. If I
remember correctly, 72 points equals one inch.

Pixels have to do with screen resolution, and their size varies monitor to
monitor. I seem to remember calibrating my monitor a few years ago and
having a pixel height and width of 1/83rd and 1/87th of an inch. That was
at 1024x768 resolution resolution, with the picture stretched to the edges
of my monitor. I now view at 1280x1024 on each of my two monitors, so my
pixels have shrunk by about 20%. On the other hand, I do occasionally
change my resolution to 800x600 just so I can view a site in a much
smaller
viewport. At that point, my pixel size is about 20% larger.

In other words, converting point to pixels is about as easy as going for a
fifteen kilogram drive. You may be able to figure out the measurements
specific to your monitor and create the formula for your specific
situation, but it will only be a very rough guide for the rest of us.

Carolyn,

Thanks once again, I think I'll look into expressing font sizes as
percentages for now, although I am still using points for text that I don't
want the user to have sizing control.

Regards,
C.B.
 
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Jonathan N. Little

Cerebral said:
Thanks once again, I think I'll look into expressing font sizes as
percentages for now, although I am still using points for text that I don't
want the user to have sizing control.

You may try but it won't work.
 
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Alan J. Flavell

Thanks once again, I think I'll look into expressing font sizes as
percentages for now, although I am still using points for text that
I don't want the user to have sizing control.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

The user doesn't *care* what you "want". If I find I'm having
difficulties because an author specified some aspect of presentation
that makes their site hard to use, I reckon I've got two choices:

1. Leave, or

2. Disable their presentation (and if it *still* doesn't work -
leave).

Either way, your lovingly created design is toast. My advice to you
is to take idea that on board, and aim to please the users too,
instead of aiming to please only yourself.
 
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Cerebral Believer

Alan J. Flavell said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^

The user doesn't *care* what you "want". If I find I'm having
difficulties because an author specified some aspect of presentation
that makes their site hard to use, I reckon I've got two choices:

1. Leave, or

2. Disable their presentation (and if it *still* doesn't work -
leave).

Either way, your lovingly created design is toast. My advice to you
is to take idea that on board, and aim to please the users too,
instead of aiming to please only yourself.

Mmmm, I'll definetly think about what you said there. I just feel that
users may not need to have sizing control over two lines of text that say
"please login, if you are not a member please register", whereas for the
main content of a page, a user would want that control. So when I say I
don't want the user to have control over certain elements of text, it's
probably because I don't feel that they need to. In the example I mentioned
(a login area), the login box and password field possibly act as visual
clues to what those items are for anyway, and as far as I know even if I set
the text so that it can be resized in those areas, the login boxes will stay
the same size. I thought of this because a visually impared man who I used
to work with, actually adjusted his screen resoloution to make pages easier
to read, so not just text gets bigger, everything does (meaning less content
shows on screen).

Regards,
C.B.
 
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Carolyn Marenger

Cerebral said:
Mmmm, I'll definetly think about what you said there. I just feel that
users may not need to have sizing control over two lines of text that say
"please login, if you are not a member please register", whereas for the
main content of a page, a user would want that control. So when I say I
don't want the user to have control over certain elements of text, it's
probably because I don't feel that they need to. In the example I
mentioned (a login area), the login box and password field possibly act as
visual clues to what those items are for anyway, and as far as I know even
if I set the text so that it can be resized in those areas, the login
boxes will stay
the same size. I thought of this because a visually impared man who I
used to work with, actually adjusted his screen resoloution to make pages
easier to read, so not just text gets bigger, everything does (meaning
less content shows on screen).

Regards,
C.B.

Not to harp on a point, but I have seen login and password boxes that were
very small and very big. Both have been annoying. When I am looking at
your page in my maximized window, I have about 2500 pixels in width. Did
you take that into account when you designed the login section of the page,
knowing that one day I would come along and want to login? How small will
that little box be?

Then again, I may just be checking out your site sitting at the airport
waiting for a flight. I'll have my old handheld with me, the one with the
160x160 black & white display. I could really learn to hate your huge
login and password box.

Then again, if you let me set the font size, I will see it all easily and
without frustration. On a side note, I don't own a handheld, and my
maximized viewport is actually closer to 2550 pixels.

I hope this helps,

Carolyn
 
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Neredbojias

With neither quill nor qualm, Cerebral Believer quothed:
Thanks, I'll look into those options that you have outlined. I also am
using tables to structure my main body of text for each page. I may just
end up sticking the footer in the bottom row of the table, or is that a dumb
newbie thing to do?

If it's the last item on the page, it's the best thing to do. Layout
with tables in another subject.
The couse I am studying suggests that it is not a good
idea to use tables to structure whole web pages, I wonder if that applies to
text blocks as an "element" of a web page?

Sure. It's just that there are usually more optimal means of
structuring a page than with tables. -Usually, not always.
 

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