Intrusive DIV scrollbar needs Javascript or CSS to "append"?

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Le 11/5/09 3:06 PM, Richard Cornford a écrit :

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I suspected it was something like that ;-)
Just I did not try one.

The question here is when can a dragging finger be
used for scrolling content and when will be performing some other action
such as selecting text for editing (and so how you scroll through that
text while able to edit it).

click -> scroll -> double-click ?

Or, simpler :
down finger, slide it (end of window ? hop! it scrolls) still selection
is OK, up finger.
no ?
I don't see where is the difficulty.
Ha ? to scroll without selecting ? hop! 2 fingers and slide them.

If tablet PC can't do that, bad tablet, change tablet !
(or change system or application)

What about them?

Some phones (or similar pocket consoles such as iPods and others)
at this day are able to do all that (whom activate menus, choice in
lists, write, selections and so on, all with fingers).
And, eventually, to phone ;-)

Yes, and as they get significantly cheaper (with better built in OS
support, as found in Windows 7) a likely future change is a massive
growth in the use of 'convertible' tablet PCs in place of Notebook and
Laptop PCs.

more than 10 years we wait for ...
(at competitive price)
Seems that efforts were on phones, there is now only to port the
experience to tablets.

Even Laptop PCs have proved object lessons in the way assumptions about
how people interact with computers tend to be too influenced by their
own habits. There are plenty who assume that everyone will be using a
mouse to "click" things, to the extent that the words "Click here" are
considered an acceptable instruction to the user. Personally I have
always found the 'pointing devices' built into Laptops (and similar
portable computers) barely adequate/usable,

So I do.
But not my children.
It may be that our time is spent ... :-(

so I haven't been surprised
to observe that many laptop users (and particularly those who touch-type
habitually) learn all of the keyboard shortcuts,

Not false
(at least for older users, youngs can no more write and are not more
than push-buttons, it's not to learn shortcuts)

The touch screen of a tablet PC offers the use of a much more convenient
'pointing device' (a finger), but with that come some new compromises;
some need for wider scrollbars, taller title bars, larger buttons/icon,
etc. and maybe some layout changes. For a handwriting entry device an
800 x 1200 portrait display has many advantages (how many web designers
are expecting a growth in the use of screens that are only 800 pixels
wide?), and the task bar makes more sense at the top than at the bottom
(so nothing gets accidentally triggered by your palm making contact with
the screen while writing (there are an unreasonable number of
applications that insist on opening their windows at a top = 0 position
and so end up under the task bar as a result).

Yes, it begins time that MS thinks to what could be ergonomics.
But it is certainly too late.
(why a task-bar, why has it to be always visible, why an application
can't cover it and then be visible when finger reaches a certain zone,
as right-up corner for instance)(why applications have to bring their
menus in their window? if not it would has been very easy to reserve
there a button for system's menus)(I'm here a bit is the advocacy of the
Apple interface(framework?))