Here we go again.
If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on
"show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
"Reply" at the bottom of the article headers.
And *please* complain to Google about their broken interface. Search
for occurrences of the above paragraph in this newsgroup; that will
give you an idea of how big a problem it is.
I briefly tried out some killfile settings to reduce my
personal noise level in this group. In trn 3.x syntax:
/googlegroups.com/HMessage-ID:j
means to kill any message whose message ID indicates that
it was posted by googlegroups.com. (Other newsreaders should
have similar capabilities.) Anyway, this cuts out quite a
bit of the homework requests, C++ questions, top-postings
and the like.
Having done that, it is immediately clear that there is
another problem: the replies[1] to each google groups post
outnumber the original by about 3:1. Though they are
well-meant (and often well-phrased) exhortations to post
correctly[2], read the FAQ, post in the correct newsgroup, do
your own homework, etc. Still, it becomes tiresome to see
the same concepts repeated. For that,
/googlegroups.com/HReferences:j
brings the noise level down *significantly*. What this does
is to scan for articles which are followups to the google
groups posts, identifying them by their reference to the
original post's message-id, and kills them. This is a bit
non-deterministic: the depth of references that a person's
newsreader preserves upon followup is not consistent. You
aren't just killing immediate followups, but possibly two,
three, or more levels down the article tree.
If the crossposts get to you more than the google groups
posts, you can try out one of these:
/Newsgroups:.*,/h:j
/Newsgroups:.*,.*,/h:j
the first kills any cross-post. The second kills only
crossposts that cross three or more newsgroups. (The
three-way cross-post killer is about the only killfile
entry I have stuck with over the years and across
all newsgroups.)
Of course, the above kill file syntax is ancient, but it
demonstrates that it is possible to quiet the google groups
noise on the receiving end. With some minor effort, it
should be possible to translate the above killfile entries
to something appropriate for your newsreader.
Of course, I'm not sure if this is the optimal approach to
take in this matter. I have two principal concerns:
* Clearly it is unfair to tar all google groups users with
the same brush, but it is also unfair that each of us
should be forced to take on the burden of tarring with a
finer brush.
* Engaging google to fix their broken interface is probably
the kindest approach, but so far no-one has gotten through
to them. Possibly, they have made their decision based on
how other newsgroups behave and are not interested in
special-casing their interface for our benefit.
Sorry, I know this is off-topic meta-discussion, but
hopefully this will make the comp.lang.c experience more
pleasant for some number of people who are as sick of
the google groups noise as I am.
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[1]
http://www.igopogo.com/pogoplaque.jpg
[2]
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=14213