rollovers in frames

[lynnpd99]

Hello:

I'm building a web page with two frams, top and bottom. I have a
navigation bar in the bottom frame which has roll-over images that are
links to what will load into the top frame. The navigation bar is a
list of my client's various projects. The client wants the name of
the project to change from grey to white when you roll over the text
AND when the project image loads in the above window, they want the
project name (in the navigation bar) to stay white.

Can this be done? If so, I'd love to know how to do it.

Thanks.

lynnpd99

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

I'm building a web page with two frams, top and bottom.

http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil

 

[Steve R.]

Leif K-Brooks wrote in message ...

http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil

From that website ...

"There are, however, good uses for frames. ... The type of applications
that frames are adequately capable of handling are those applications
that don't require bookmarking,"

What does it matter if you can't bookmark a 10-page website? Do you
bookmark a 10-page newspaper? Thought not.

"don't require search-engine indexing (and positively discourage it)",

That's a fib, plenty of framed websites come well up in search results.

"and don't require the ability to be accessible to the World Wide Web".

Yet another nonsense. Plenty of framed websites on the w-w-w working fine.

 

[Richard]

http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil

"Frames are evil" because those who prefer using CSS say they are. Just as
they say use of tables is not good.
CSS is not mandatory, it is an option.
HTML is mandatory.
How did we ever manage surfing and bookmarking before CSS became so popular?

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

Do you bookmark a 10-page newspaper? Thought not.

If there's an interesting story I want to read later, I'll cut it out.
That's the equivalent of bookmarking it.

 

[lynnpd99]

http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil

I agree, frames are evil, but my client doesn't agree so, I'm stuck!
Can anyone help me?

lynnpd99

 

[Toby A Inkster]

Leif K-Brooks wrote in message ...

From that website ...


What does it matter if you can't bookmark a 10-page website? Do you
bookmark a 10-page newspaper? Thought not.

But you're not bookmarking a page within a site -- you're bookmarking a
page within a web of billions of documents. Do you bookmark a billion page
newspaper? You do if you want to find that page again.

That's a fib, plenty of framed websites come well up in search results.

Yes, they do: http://www.google.com/search?q=requires+frames

And if one of the framed pages *does* manage to get high on search engine
rankings, then when people arrive there they won't be able to see the rest
of your site because all the navigation was in the other frame.

 

[Steve R.]

Toby Inkster wrote in message ...

But you're not bookmarking a page within a site -- you're bookmarking a
page within a web of billions of documents. Do you bookmark a billion page
newspaper?

Nonsense - If you try to bookmark a page in a framed website (in the normal
manner) you just bookmark *THAT* site header and homepage and you then just
flick through the pages till you find what you wanted - Just like a 10-page
newspaper.

It's no big deal. If you want to bookmark the actual page it's a
right-click jobbie. Again no problem for a reasonably computer literate
person.

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

I agree, frames are evil, but my client doesn't agree so, I'm stuck!

Simple. Python is my language of the day, so do this:

from modern import client, lynnpd99
lynnpd99.clients[0] = client()

 

[Safalra]

I'm building a web page with two frams, top and bottom. I have a
navigation bar in the bottom frame which has roll-over images that are
links to what will load into the top frame. The navigation bar is a
list of my client's various projects. The client wants the name of
the project to change from grey to white when you roll over the text
AND when the project image loads in the above window, they want the
project name (in the navigation bar) to stay white.

As you're using frames, you're obviously not bothered about
accessibility, so can achieve the effect you want with JavaScript.
Roughly what you need to do (it's been a while since I've used
JavaScript...) is set up a variable for which link was last clicked.
Then onMouseOver sets a link to white, onMouseOut sets it to grey if
the link is not the most recently clicked link (otherwise leaving it
white), and the onClick stores which link was most recently clicked.

Of course it would be far better not to use frames at all.

--- Safalra (Stephen Morley) ---
http://www.safalra.com/hypertext

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

Nonsense - If you try to bookmark a page in a framed website (in the normal
manner) you just bookmark *THAT* site header and homepage and you then just
flick through the pages till you find what you wanted - Just like a 10-page
newspaper.

Looking for the article I want in a newspaper is annoying, but that's
one of the limitations of that medium. It's stupid to limit the web to
what another medium can do, or limit another medium to what the web can do.

It's no big deal. If you want to bookmark the actual page it's a
right-click jobbie. Again no problem for a reasonably computer literate
person.

But then I won't be able to navigate elsewhere on that site.

 

[jake]

http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil

"There are, however, good uses for frames. "

(last paragraph)

 

[Brian]

That's a fib, plenty of framed websites come well up in search results.

http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html

 

[Brian]

"Frames are evil" because those who prefer using CSS say they are. Just as
they say use of tables is not good.

Who says that? How else should one mark up tabular data?

How did we ever manage surfing and bookmarking before CSS became so popular?

Exactly the same as we do now, since CSS has exactly nothing to do
with bookmarking.

 

[Brian]

"There are, however, good uses for frames. "
(last paragraph)

Sure. Google groups in threaded view is one. But the frames are only
a point into the thread. And that means there's still one url for each
thread.

 

[Eric Bohlman]

Nonsense - If you try to bookmark a page in a framed website (in the
normal manner) you just bookmark *THAT* site header and homepage and
you then just flick through the pages till you find what you wanted -
Just like a 10-page newspaper.

Leading to feelings of nostalgia in those old enough to remember gopher,
and reminding them of what the "-algia" in "nostalgia" means.

 

[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

X-No-Archive: yes

Hello:

I'm building a web page with two frams, top and bottom. I have a
navigation bar in the bottom frame which has roll-over images that are
links to what will load into the top frame. The navigation bar is a
list of my client's various projects. The client wants the name of
the project to change from grey to white when you roll over the text
AND when the project image loads in the above window, they want the
project name (in the navigation bar) to stay white.

Can this be done? If so, I'd love to know how to do it.

Thanks.

lynnpd99

Do you mean something *along the lines* of www.sg1archive.com ?

I believe it is done with layers and the onMouseover command. Something like
onMouseOver(Make_layer_2_white_text_visible) but I do not know the exact
coding. A search on google, or e-mailing that webmaster may provide some
more results. HTH.

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