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[Francesco Pietra]

It is true that suggestions may arrive from all directions. Nonetheless, this
extremely useful list is so crowded that if checking email is not carried out
every few hours, it is difficult to detect other messages in the plethora of
pythons and spams arrived. What happens if email is disregarded for a few days?

Therefore, I support a recent suggestion to establish a "science list", where
python-solving problems arising from scientific use of software should appear.

Something will be missed by users of the "science list", though things will
become manageable. On the present list they are not.

Thanks
francesco pietra


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[Stef Mientki]

It is true that suggestions may arrive from all directions. Nonetheless, this
extremely useful list is so crowded that if checking email is not carried out
every few hours, it is difficult to detect other messages in the plethora of
pythons and spams arrived. What happens if email is disregarded for a few days?

Therefore, I support a recent suggestion to establish a "science list", where
python-solving problems arising from scientific use of software should appear.

Something will be missed by users of the "science list", though things will
become manageable. On the present list they are not.

Isn't that called the SciPy list ;-)
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cheers,
Stef

 

[Bjoern Schliessmann]

Nonetheless, this extremely useful list is so crowded that if
checking email is not carried out every few hours, it is difficult
to detect other messages in the plethora of pythons and spams
arrived.

Why don't you use a newsreader to access comp.lang.python? It's
suited much better for tracking long and many threads.

Regards,


Björn

 

[nmp]

Why don't you use a newsreader to access comp.lang.python? It's suited
much better for tracking long and many threads.

Or switch to threaded view in your mail program, most mailers can do it
nowadays.

 

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Do you know if "free" yahoo.com allows threaded view for python only? I was

Ah, now the "real problem" is revealed...

For example, what you see as a mailing list many of us see as an
formal Usenet newsgroup (comp.lang.python is mirrored as both Usenet and
mailing list; and many mailing lists are routed by the gmane NNTP server
so even they can be viewed as news-groups).

Regardless of what Google/Yahoo/M$/AOL want you to think, using a
web-based mail client is typically the worst way to follow mailing lists
and/or news-groups; much better to use a decent client program that can
download posts in the background, then sort/thread/filter them as
desired.
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[Ben Finney]

With the exception of Gmail. I really could not follow 20+ high
volume lists (such as Python, PHP, Fedora, MySQL, OOo, and some
other very high traffic lists) without Gmail.

I'm not interested in learning some centralised web-application
interface, and far prefer the discussion forum to be available by a
standard *protocol*, that I can use my choice of *local client*
application with.

Most of the high-volume discussion lists I participate in are made
available as NNTP forums via news.gmane.org. I find that immeasurably
superior to any email interface, not least because I can use *any*
NNTP client to manage my interaction with those forums.

The metaphor of discussion-forum-as-NNTP-newsgroup is, for my
purposes, far superior to discussion-forum-as-mailing-list. For those
forums only available as mailing lists, I find them much more awkward
to manage.

The proliferation of "web forums", where the *only* way to participate
is to use an excreable web application that works differently to
everything else and has no connection to anything else I do on my
computer, is of course utterly antithesis to my needs.

I would, of course, welcome an increase in the number of discussion
forums made available as NNTP groups, whether via Gmane or any other
service — including the same people who host the mailing list (or,
gods forbid, "web forum").

 

[Grant Edwards]

Most of the high-volume discussion lists I participate in are made
available as NNTP forums via news.gmane.org. I find that immeasurably
superior to any email interface, not least because I can use *any*
NNTP client to manage my interaction with those forums.

Same here. I don't follow mailing lists unless they're
available via gmane's NNTP server. Any other method wastes too
much time.

The proliferation of "web forums", where the *only* way to participate
is to use an excreable web application that works differently to
everything else and has no connection to anything else I do on my
computer, is of course utterly antithesis to my needs.

IMO, web forums suck the worst of any possible discussion medium.

 

[Michael Spencer]

I'm not interested in learning some centralised web-application
interface, and far prefer the discussion forum to be available by a
standard *protocol*, that I can use my choice of *local client*
application with.

I agree: I use Thunderbird, and it works well. But I read NNTP newsgroups on
several devices, and I would really like to have the read-status synchronized
across them.

Can anyone recommend a solution that also synchronizes post read status? If
Google Reader or something like it handled NNTP, I imagine I'd use it to achieve
this benefit.

Michael

 

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

I agree: I use Thunderbird, and it works well. But I read NNTP newsgroups on
several devices, and I would really like to have the read-status synchronized
across them.

Can anyone recommend a solution that also synchronizes post read status? If
Google Reader or something like it handled NNTP, I imagine I'd use it to achieve
this benefit.

Unlike email clients (SMTP/POP) which physically delete messages
from the server, NNTP clients just work from a local list of available
newsgroups -- including a flag for subscription status, and a list of
message numbers that have been read. The only way to synchronize news
readers would be to somehow share this list among them.

In the days of Agent 1.9, the list could be exported/imported as a
common newsrc file. Unfortunately, that is no longer possible with Agent
3.3

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[Michael Spencer]

Unlike email clients (SMTP/POP) which physically delete messages
from the server, NNTP clients just work from a local list of available
newsgroups -- including a flag for subscription status, and a list of
message numbers that have been read. The only way to synchronize news
readers would be to somehow share this list among them.

Yep, that's what I'm looking for. Either a client that synchronizes message
status (like a bookmark synchronizer, such as Foxmarks for Firefox), or a
threaded web-based newsreader that preserves state (as Google Reader does for
RSS feeds).

Michael

 

[Paul Rubin]

I agree: I use Thunderbird, and it works well. But I read NNTP
newsgroups on several devices, and I would really like to have the
read-status synchronized across them.
Can anyone recommend a solution that also synchronizes post read
status?

I think there are some nntp-imap gateways.