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rf

Scripsit rf:




By your manners,


I thought I sorted out my manners regarding you a few years ago.

I did think then and I still think now that you are a bloody arrogant self
opinioated arsehole. You do not rate "maners".

You have not yet confirmed that I am once again in your killfile.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit rf:
I did think then and I still think now that you are a bloody arrogant
self opinioated arsehole.

Even if I were, you would still be at a much much lower moral level if
you said that about me in public and kept hiding your own real identity.
You do not rate "maners".

I do, just like you do, though on much better grounds.
You have not yet confirmed that I am once again in your killfile.

You have confirmed that you have some problem in understanding simple
sentences or that you wish to behave like you did.

You have also confirmed that you do not like being corrected in HTML
matters. Cuiusvis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore
perseverare. Worse still, you launch low-minded personal attacks in
response to a message where your errors have been pointed out, instead
of addressing the objections. This helps me undestand why St. Augustine
wrote "diabolicum est in errore manere", which always sounded like too
strong to me.

This means that nobody should read your messages (whether full of shit
being thrown at others or superficially something on-topic) except for
amusement, no matter how much you might have known, or might still know,
about them. I will mention this as often as I like, directly or
indirectly, as long as you keep it true.
 
A

Andy Dingley

Even if I were, you would still be at a much much lower moral level if
you said that about me in public and kept hiding your own real identity.

Just what _is_ your obsession with people using their real names to
post to Usenet? Where you frightened by an anon.penet.fi poster when
you were young?

Anonymity is reasonable, given the obvious problems of trollage and
spam. Anonymity has been a fact of Usenet for years. Long may it so
continue.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Andy Dingley:
Just what _is_ your obsession with people using their real names to
post to Usenet?

None. It is not my problem if other people fall below the minimal level
of decent behavior. I simply point out that cowards who make personal
attacks hiding behind forged names and addresses should not be trusted.
Oh, it is just my 20-year experience with net discussions that says so,
in addition many other people's experience. You are free to ignore it.
Anonymity is reasonable, given the obvious problems of trollage and
spam.

So you think you would get less spam or would get trolled less often if
you lied about your _name_? You might wish to know that E-mail works on
the basis of addresses, not names.
 
D

dorayme

rf said:
**** off Korpela.

By mistake I have changed my _*FORGED*_ email address so I must have fallen
out of your killfile

Please put me back into it you arrogant bastard.

Well, I can say that I missed rf in there for a while recently (the only
time we ever see each other these days).

After I have my morning tete a tete with JK in his kf library (he treats
me well, he brings coffee and Finnish croissants), I then need some less
cerebral exercise so I go down to where he keeps rf! What a stinky
little cell, why would he want to go back into that? I then set about
pummeling him with rolled up newspapers as I shout "How's that for a
dipstick mate! He grabs his roll and retaliates and his language is
truly wonderfully colourful (It is refreshing because the Finnish are a
bit stuffy). We have this elaborate scoring system, you see...

Exercise over, I go back to my more comfortable digs, shower and get on
with my deep studies into HTML Root theory for the rest of the day.
 
D

dorayme

Bergamot said:
Then better to teach him good habits from the start

Trying to be so correct at all times can confuse the message of what is
most pressing. rf did no wrong in this case. Leave him alone. I talk as
his favourite dipstick.
 
A

Andy Dingley

Scripsit Andy Dingley:


None. It is not my problem if other people fall below the minimal level
of decent behavior.

Of course.

However when did anonymity on Usenet become "indecent" (of itself)?
It has a long track record, several valid justifications, and wide
acceptance. Your frequent criticism of it has no real justification.
It has been abused in the past (hence the demise of anon.penet.fi,
which I'm sure you remember), but that's not closely relevant to our
context of text-based Usenet.
I simply point out that cowards who make personal
attacks hiding behind forged names and addresses should not be trusted.

I simply fail to see the connection between anonymity and "cowardice".
If you don't like personal attacks, then I doubt you like them any
more if the author is identifiable.

I have no provable idea if your real name is "Jukka Korpela". For all
I know you're a Japanese teenager named Neko, who only posts to Usenet
in the hope of attracting simpleton truck drivers. However if you do
have photos of yourself in Cosplay outfits, please keep them to
yourself just in case. Your "real world" identity is an irrelevance -
your "real" (i.e. virtual) identity for my only purposes is as a
generator of NNTP traffic with a particular header line at the top.
Now that's fine - I don't care if you're a Finnish academic, a
teenager or a Perl script. I judge your "merit" (including any
cowardice or lack of) by the content of your posts and the consistency
of the identifying header.

The fact that _your_ header (and mine) has the form of a real-world
name is of no matter to me. It implies no more "worth" to your posts
than dorayme's, rf's or even Bullis' (we pity Bullis for his
consistently inane content, not his inconsistent handle).

So you think you would get less spam or would get trolled less often if
you lied about your _name_? You might wish to know that E-mail works on
the basis of addresses, not names.

I would certainly be trolled less. For one thing I doubt very much if
I'd receive threats of physical violence on my doorstep without it
(BTW Celtic King, I'm still waiting for you to show up).

Oddly I do tend to follow your own name practice when it comes to my
email address. I use one very public, very heavily spammed address.
Filtering it is tiresome (if you aren't whitelisted, it's probably not
reliable), but at least I only have to do it once.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Andy Dingley:
However when did anonymity on Usenet become "indecent" (of itself)?
It has a long track record, several valid justifications, and wide
acceptance.

Anonymity is different from fake names. Both are different forged
address. What all of these share is that they are indications of
bogosity - maybe not strong, but when combined with personal
assaults,...

And you could check the relevant RFCs to see what has been good practice
since the dawn of Usenet.

Just keep babbling. It helps to signal to people that this thread was
pointless from the beginning. If the OP didn't just try to troll, he
should probably have by now got the idea that learning the elements of
basics is a good idea before asking for a review in public. This might
be frustrating, but life often is.
 
T

Travis Newbury

Anonymity is different from fake names. Both are different forged
address. What all of these share is that they are indications of
bogosity - maybe not strong, but when combined with personal
assaults,...
And you could check the relevant RFCs to see what has been good practice
since the dawn of Usenet.

Sadly idiots and abusers on USENET, like other parts of our lives, has
forced people to hide their personal information less they be spamed,
phished, stalked, or worse.
Just keep babbling. It helps to signal to people that this thread was
pointless from the beginning.

It seems that every thread on USENET if it goes on long enough turns
to meaningless babble. I am probably ne of the biggest offenders.
But that is part of the fun. that's why I never block anyone. Who
knows, they may accidentally say something smart, or funny.

You opinions and knowledge are greatly welcomed by me any time. But
you really sound like a stick in the mud when it comes to fun... (and
no that was not a personal attack, just an observation)
 
D

dorayme

Andy Dingley said:
BTW Celtic King, I'm still waiting for you to show up

He can't because he was one of the brutes who attacked Luigi on the
French-German border a while back now and, as you would know if you paid
detailed attention to my writings, I had my men hunt them down.

This, btw, is one possible reason Luigi left us, he was overwhelmed by
gratitude to a complete stranger in a land that fascinated him because
of its appendix, Tasmania.
 
C

catalyst

Bergamot said:
A better idea is an unordered list. It degrades well, is more accessible
and the styling possibilities are huge.

Thanks for know you all guys and gals!
I'll do this page a much possible remake as i can, i suppose the making it
from the beginning would cost me much more for now, i'll do that when the
time come.

blah...any comments you can blah through my e-mail!
Page HTML errors are concerning me, it's hard to understand english
explanations 1/1, so i try to do things by the book as i can.

Have a nice Day!
 
C

catalyst

Travis Newbury said:
Well, I think it completely stinks for these reasons:

1. You misspelled almost every word on the page. it was completely
unreadable.

Ok i agree from the standpoint that it's not an english language webpage.
2. What's with all the marquees?

I don't know...i thought it will be fine, tried to find out the way to
represent special content on index page on the good way. The thing is that
the marquee is showing equally in Firefox and IE 6.0. but in Opera it
wouldn't, it shows after minute or two, do You happen to know what is
slowing marquee in Opera(series9 -9.23) ?
3. It falls apart with the first change in the font size.
Where, how, i have tried to adjust it to most viewings, didn't find the
holes on 14.1" , 19" and 15" screens, but for the resolution i agree i don't
know how to fix-adjust that !?!?
4. The header pictures are too small. Choose fewer images for the
header.

Too small, hmmm, first to said that. Nice opinion though... I'll leave it
just as it is for now, firstly i'll try making the inner structure
core-solid, than i want to do design novelties and improve the design
techniques.
I find that reasonable for the beginner trying to expertize himself.
5. this is going to be a nightmare to maintain, good luck

Agree, already it is. But haven't had choices, i needed to make fast as i
could this webpage so i "done it" in moving, so to say.
My friend suggested that i use a variant of CMS which i dislike due to fixed
and i suppose complicated design structure.
I didn't make an superb art, but as i hear comments, it works, like an
oldmobile does, which needs varnishing and maintance!
6. it is simply ugly (personal opinion ymmv)

Ha, it isn't suppose to look too beautiful, it reflects the Real-Real state
of our neighbourhood. When things become brighter, the design will too. It
doesn't have the real connection with my state too much, i tried to reflect
the Trnje consciousness state, else i would use a template :)
 
C

catalyst

Bergamot said:
A better idea is an unordered list. It degrades well, is more accessible
and the styling possibilities are huge.
Hey!!! Which one to use, which one do you have arguments that it's better to
use for a list?
This upper or this bellow, i find <ul><li></li></ul> better because of
types which i can apply. I am aware that's amateurish, but that's me now. I
suppose you could do the same with the class="nav", and bring on some .gif
pictures instead circles or discs?

mm

<div id="kvartovi">
<span id="kvartoviposition"><a href="mapa_cetvrti.html"><font
color="blue" size="2"><strong> Drugi kvartovi</strong></font></a></span>
<div style="margin-top: -10px;">
<ul type="disc" >
<font size="2" color="#7B68EE">
<li><a href="http://www.Dubrava.hr">Dubrava</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.Maksimir.hr">Maksimir</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.novi-zagreb.info">Novi Zagreb</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.sesvete-online.info/">Sesvete</a></li>
</font></ul>
</div></div>
</td>
 
T

Travis Newbury

Ok i agree from the standpoint that it's not an english language webpage.

Doh, that's it! Ok, you get a pass on this one...
I don't know...i thought it will be fine...

I forget who said it, but someone here made this statement years ago
"What is so important that you have to have it on the home page of the
website, but so unimportant that I have to wait around for it if I
want to see it?" That is a paraphrase, but I think you get the idea.
Where, how, i have tried to adjust it to most viewings, didn't find the
holes on 14.1" , 19" and 15" screens, but for the resolution i agree i don't
know how to fix-adjust that !?!?

Read the other posts, the size of the screen is irrelevant. Fixed
width web pages tend to fall apart with font changes. I know this
because I usually work with fixed width web pages. If this worries
you, then you need to look at flexible width pages. But with each
there are pros and cons. Flexible width you have little control over
the layout. Fixed width you have little control over the page
breaking with font sizes. Think about what you're trying to sell, and
who your customers are. That will help you determine what you need.
Ha, it isn't suppose to look too beautiful, it reflects the Real-Real state
of our neighbourhood.

That statement is wrong in so many ways.... ;-)
 
C

Chaddy2222

Travis said:
Doh, that's it! Ok, you get a pass on this one...


I forget who said it, but someone here made this statement years ago
"What is so important that you have to have it on the home page of the
website, but so unimportant that I have to wait around for it if I
want to see it?" That is a paraphrase, but I think you get the idea.


Read the other posts, the size of the screen is irrelevant. Fixed
width web pages tend to fall apart with font changes. I know this
because I usually work with fixed width web pages. If this worries
you, then you need to look at flexible width pages. But with each
there are pros and cons. Flexible width you have little control over
the layout. Fixed width you have little control over the page
breaking with font sizes. Think about what you're trying to sell, and
who your customers are. That will help you determine what you need.
Well you could use a min and max width. I have done that on my main
site to stop the content getting really wide on high ress monitors.
 
C

catalyst

Travis Newbury said:
Doh, that's it! Ok, you get a pass on this one...


I forget who said it, but someone here made this statement years ago
"What is so important that you have to have it on the home page of the
website, but so unimportant that I have to wait around for it if I
want to see it?" That is a paraphrase, but I think you get the idea.


Read the other posts, the size of the screen is irrelevant. Fixed
width web pages tend to fall apart with font changes. I know this
because I usually work with fixed width web pages. If this worries
you, then you need to look at flexible width pages. But with each
there are pros and cons. Flexible width you have little control over
the layout. Fixed width you have little control over the page
breaking with font sizes. Think about what you're trying to sell, and
who your customers are. That will help you determine what you need.


That statement is wrong in so many ways.... ;-)

Ok, then Chad pages are fixed width pages or what ?...can i see some of
yours example ?
 
C

catalyst

Chaddy2222 said:
Well you could use a min and max width. I have done that on my main
site to stop the content getting really wide on high ress monitors.

HI Chad !!! Yeah, but your page is all over the screen, how that comes into
flexible or fixed web pages ?
 
C

Chaddy2222

catalyst said:
HI Chad !!! Yeah, but your page is all over the screen, how that comes into
flexible or fixed web pages ?
Take a look at the CSS file. Also change your screen resolution to
something like 1280x1024 and you will see what I mean about the min
and max widths.
Note though that you will need to use eather IE7 or FireFox or any
other modern web browser to see this though. IE6 and below do not
support min and max width.
 

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