spam flood yesterday

Discussion in 'C++' started by Lars Uffmann, Apr 18, 2008.

  1. Lars Uffmann

    Lars Uffmann Guest

    Is it just me or was that about the worst flooding in months? I'm
    seriously thinking the severe punishment for spammers should be made a
    prerequisite for countries wanting to join the WTO....

    Damn annoying...

    Nm & Best Regards,

    Lars
     
    Lars Uffmann, Apr 18, 2008
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  2. Lars Uffmann

    Mark Shroyer Guest

    In article <>,
    Lars Uffmann <> wrote:

    > Is it just me or was that about the worst flooding in months? I'm
    > seriously thinking the severe punishment for spammers should be made a
    > prerequisite for countries wanting to join the WTO....
    >
    > Damn annoying...
    >
    > Nm & Best Regards,
    >
    > Lars


    Or a severe punishment for companies that allow their users to continue
    spamming Usenet even after said users have been reported multiple times.

    The most frustrating thing about that flood was that 99% of it came from
    Google. I'd been teetering on the edge of killfiling Google Groups for
    months, and that was enough to finally push me over the edge... I mean,
    I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart and interesting people in
    the process, but at this point it's either that or give up on Usenet
    altogether.

    --
    Mark Shroyer
    http://markshroyer.com/contact/

    Sorry, I won't see articles posted from
    Google Groups: http://improve-usenet.org/
     
    Mark Shroyer, Apr 18, 2008
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  3. Lars Uffmann

    Lars Uffmann Guest

    Mark Shroyer wrote:
    > months, and that was enough to finally push me over the edge... I mean,
    > I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart and interesting people in
    > the process, but at this point it's either that or give up on Usenet
    > altogether.


    I guess those users always have the option to use a real newsserver -
    spammers not so easily, so that makes sense. I'll watch it a few days,
    might block google-groups then myself...

    Good idea, sadly :/

    Lars
     
    Lars Uffmann, Apr 18, 2008
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  4. Lars Uffmann

    Guest

    On Apr 18, 12:09 pm, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    > Is it just me or was that about the worst flooding in months? I'm
    > seriously thinking the severe punishment for spammers should be made a
    > prerequisite for countries wanting to join the WTO....
    >
    > Damn annoying...
    >
    > Nm & Best Regards,
    >
    > Lars


    pishi po russki cyka
     
    , Apr 18, 2008
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  5. Lars Uffmann

    itdevries Guest

    On Apr 18, 10:09 am, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    > Is it just me or was that about the worst flooding in months? I'm
    > seriously thinking the severe punishment for spammers should be made a
    > prerequisite for countries wanting to join the WTO....
    >
    > Damn annoying...
    >
    > Nm & Best Regards,
    >
    >    Lars


    I'm spending some time reporting a lot of it to google, not sure if it
    helps but it eases my frustration...
     
    itdevries, Apr 18, 2008
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  6. Mark Shroyer schrieb:
    > The most frustrating thing about that flood was that 99% of it came from
    > Google. I'd been teetering on the edge of killfiling Google Groups for
    > months, and that was enough to finally push me over the edge...


    That's exactly what I have just done.

    > I mean,
    > I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart and interesting people in
    > the process, but at this point it's either that or give up on Usenet
    > altogether.


    Full Ack. In fact these people have to look for alternatives, because
    they soon will not get much replys anymore. It's a shame becuse they
    have not done anything wrong. But that are the unwritten rules of the
    internet.

    The bad thing about that is that even more users are pushed to web
    forums. But these are short-lived and often with nearly unuseable
    navigation.


    Marcel
     
    Marcel Müller, Apr 18, 2008
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  7. Lars Uffmann

    James Kanze Guest

    On 18 avr, 11:04, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    > Mark Shroyer wrote:
    > > months, and that was enough to finally push me over the
    > > edge... I mean, I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart
    > > and interesting people in the process, but at this point
    > > it's either that or give up on Usenet altogether.


    > I guess those users always have the option to use a real newsserver -


    Some of us post from behind a firewall, which won't transmit
    NNTP. We don't have a choice: it's Google Groups or nothing.

    --
    James Kanze (GABI Software) email:
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    James Kanze, Apr 18, 2008
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  8. Lars Uffmann

    James Kanze Guest

    On 18 avr, 18:45, "Alf P. Steinbach" <> wrote:
    > * Marcel Müller:


    [...]
    > Well, I know that most of the [comp.std.c++] moderators, or,
    > considering that group's status, perhaps I should say former
    > moderators, work at Google, and since they're C++ folks
    > perhaps they're reading.


    Do they? Of the three original moderators, one does now work at
    Google, but one is still at Sun, and the other is, as far as I
    know, still at the University of Melbourne.

    Of course, none of those three are active moderators today.

    With regard to Google, of course, it suffers from one of the
    same problems as Microsoft: it's too big. The left hand doesn't
    know what the right hand is doing, and the former comp.std.c++
    moderator who works there has no connection what so ever with
    the part that handles news groups.

    The part that handles news groups, of course, needs serious
    rework. Even before the spam, the HTML that they sent must rank
    as some of the worse (and I mean, not conform with the
    standards), and it regularly causes Firefox to crash (which
    means that there are bugs in Firefox as well, because correct
    programs don't crash, regardless of the input).

    > But I'd be ashamed to work at that company right now, even
    > though in a wider perspective it's said to be one of the
    > bestest firms on this planet.


    The employee benefits are said to be very good. For the rest,
    who knows? It doubtlessly depends on which group you work in.

    --
    James Kanze (GABI Software) email:
    Conseils en informatique orientée objet/
    Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung
    9 place Sémard, 78210 St.-Cyr-l'École, France, +33 (0)1 30 23 00 34
     
    James Kanze, Apr 18, 2008
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  9. Lars Uffmann

    Default User Guest

    James Kanze wrote:

    > On 18 avr, 11:04, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    > > Mark Shroyer wrote:
    > > > months, and that was enough to finally push me over the
    > > > edge... I mean, I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart
    > > > and interesting people in the process, but at this point
    > > > it's either that or give up on Usenet altogether.

    >
    > > I guess those users always have the option to use a real newsserver
    > > -

    >
    > Some of us post from behind a firewall, which won't transmit
    > NNTP. We don't have a choice: it's Google Groups or nothing.


    I personally just don't believe in canning whole domains. I've had
    excellent luck setting up filters to take care of the spam.




    Brian
     
    Default User, Apr 18, 2008
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  10. Lars Uffmann

    Mark Shroyer Guest

    In article <>,
    "Default User" <> wrote:

    > James Kanze wrote:
    >
    > > On 18 avr, 11:04, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    > > > Mark Shroyer wrote:
    > > > > months, and that was enough to finally push me over the
    > > > > edge... I mean, I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart
    > > > > and interesting people in the process, but at this point
    > > > > it's either that or give up on Usenet altogether.

    > >
    > > > I guess those users always have the option to use a real newsserver
    > > > -

    > >
    > > Some of us post from behind a firewall, which won't transmit
    > > NNTP. We don't have a choice: it's Google Groups or nothing.

    >
    > I personally just don't believe in canning whole domains. I've had
    > excellent luck setting up filters to take care of the spam.


    On the contrary, I think that filtering whole networks is one of the
    most effective ways to fight spam in the long run, as it cumulatively
    puts pressure on the network owner to do something about all the spam
    coming from their network. This is the very principle behind UDP and it
    has worked well in the past, but I think it can be just as effective if
    the blocking is performed by some critical mass of individual users
    rather than by the server administrators (who are generally hesitant to
    UDP someone as big as Google).

    Again, I feel bad about blocking legitimate Google Groups users, but
    when I can get rid of 99% of the spam polluting my favorite newsgroups
    by blocking a single source, why should I do otherwise? In the end,
    this problem is Google's responsibility to fix, and Google Groups users
    can take it up with them if they don't like the consequences.

    But out of curiosity, what filtering techniques / software are you
    using? Bayesian classification? I was having pretty good luck with
    MT-NewsWatcher's junk filter up until the latest flood, but enough of it
    still got through that I ultimately had to stem the tide at its source
    (or however the heck that idiom goes).

    --
    Mark Shroyer, http://markshroyer.com/contact/

    Sorry, I won't see your article if you post from
    Google Groups: http://improve-usenet.org/
     
    Mark Shroyer, Apr 19, 2008
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  11. Lars Uffmann

    Default User Guest

    Mark Shroyer wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > "Default User" <> wrote:


    > > I personally just don't believe in canning whole domains. I've had
    > > excellent luck setting up filters to take care of the spam.

    >
    > On the contrary, I think that filtering whole networks is one of the
    > most effective ways to fight spam in the long run, as it cumulatively
    > puts pressure on the network owner to do something about all the spam
    > coming from their network. This is the very principle behind UDP and
    > it has worked well in the past, but I think it can be just as
    > effective if the blocking is performed by some critical mass of
    > individual users rather than by the server administrators (who are
    > generally hesitant to UDP someone as big as Google).


    I certainly agree that if it was anyone besides the $900 billion
    gorilla, it would UDP by now. Nobody has ever allowed spam like this
    before.

    > But out of curiosity, what filtering techniques / software are you
    > using?


    Just good old-fashioned keyword matching in the subject lines. Every
    once in a while I have to add something new, but like today, no spam
    here at all.



    Brian
     
    Default User, Apr 19, 2008
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  12. Lars Uffmann

    Lars Uffmann Guest

    James Kanze wrote:
    >> I guess those users always have the option to use a real newsserver -

    > Some of us post from behind a firewall, which won't transmit
    > NNTP. We don't have a choice: it's Google Groups or nothing.


    Darn. I just had my filter to delete everything from @gmail.com set up,
    then I read this post of yours - only because filter didn't apply to
    already downloaded stuff... I need a whitelist :/ I hate it when spam is
    being forced down my throat.

    :/

    Lars
     
    Lars Uffmann, Apr 21, 2008
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  13. Lars Uffmann

    Lars Uffmann Guest

    itdevries wrote:
    > I'm spending some time reporting a lot of it to google, not sure if it
    > helps but it eases my frustration...


    Hehe - I just attempted (in vain) to get my news provider to UDP google.
    Cowards! :p

    Best Regards,

    Lars
     
    Lars Uffmann, Apr 21, 2008
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  14. In message
    <>,
    James Kanze <> writes
    >On 18 avr, 11:04, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    >> Mark Shroyer wrote:
    >> > months, and that was enough to finally push me over the
    >> > edge... I mean, I feel bad that I'll be blocking some smart
    >> > and interesting people in the process, but at this point
    >> > it's either that or give up on Usenet altogether.

    >
    >> I guess those users always have the option to use a real newsserver -

    >
    >Some of us post from behind a firewall, which won't transmit
    >NNTP. We don't have a choice: it's Google Groups or nothing.


    True, but it might make distinguishing you from the spam a little easier
    if you could arrange for your From: header to contain something other
    than a gmail.com address, as most of the spam appears to be from
    throwaway gmail accounts.


    --
    Richard Herring
     
    Richard Herring, Apr 21, 2008
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  15. Lars Uffmann

    Ian Collins Guest

    On 04/ 6/10 12:03 PM, Robert Miles wrote:
    >
    > With today's spam, I would find it more useful to have a filter
    > that will check incoming posts for any of a list of web sites, and
    > if any of them are found, delete that post. Of course, my
    > newsreader does not offer that option.


    Nothing appears to have got through the filters news.individual.net for
    several days. You need to look at getting a better service.

    --
    Ian Collins
     
    Ian Collins, Apr 6, 2010
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  16. * Rolf Magnus:
    > Robert Miles wrote:
    >
    >> "itdevries" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> back in 2008
    >> On Apr 18, 10:09 am, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    >>> Is it just me or was that about the worst flooding in months? I'm
    >>> seriously thinking the severe punishment for spammers should be made a
    >>> prerequisite for countries wanting to join the WTO....
    >>>
    >>> Damn annoying...
    >>>
    >>> Nm & Best Regards,
    >>>
    >>> Lars

    >> I'm spending some time reporting a lot of it to google, not sure if it
    >> helps but it eases my frustration...
    >>
    >> itdevries
    >> ---
    >> My experience with reporting spam to Google Groups is that you
    >> can expect them to do something about it. But not until 4 to 6
    >> weeks after you send the spam report, and not at all for any spam
    >> that no one reports (i. e., most of it).

    >
    > Hmm, From Google, I've never seen any reaction to my reports at all. And
    > even if they do something about it, the spammer just needs to create a new
    > account and go on. IMHO, Google is a disease (at least on Usenet). Close to
    > 100% of Usenet's spam is posted via Google Groups.


    +1
     
    Alf P. Steinbach, Apr 7, 2010
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  17. Lars Uffmann

    Rolf Magnus Guest

    Robert Miles wrote:

    > "itdevries" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > back in 2008
    > On Apr 18, 10:09 am, Lars Uffmann <> wrote:
    >> Is it just me or was that about the worst flooding in months? I'm
    >> seriously thinking the severe punishment for spammers should be made a
    >> prerequisite for countries wanting to join the WTO....
    >>
    >> Damn annoying...
    >>
    >> Nm & Best Regards,
    >>
    >> Lars

    >
    > I'm spending some time reporting a lot of it to google, not sure if it
    > helps but it eases my frustration...
    >
    > itdevries
    > ---
    > My experience with reporting spam to Google Groups is that you
    > can expect them to do something about it. But not until 4 to 6
    > weeks after you send the spam report, and not at all for any spam
    > that no one reports (i. e., most of it).


    Hmm, From Google, I've never seen any reaction to my reports at all. And
    even if they do something about it, the spammer just needs to create a new
    account and go on. IMHO, Google is a disease (at least on Usenet). Close to
    100% of Usenet's spam is posted via Google Groups.
     
    Rolf Magnus, Apr 7, 2010
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  18. Lars Uffmann

    Miles Bader Guest

    Ian Collins <> writes:
    >> With today's spam, I would find it more useful to have a filter
    >> that will check incoming posts for any of a list of web sites, and
    >> if any of them are found, delete that post. Of course, my
    >> newsreader does not offer that option.

    >
    > Nothing appears to have got through the filters news.individual.net for
    > several days. You need to look at getting a better service.


    Seriously.

    I use news.individual.net, and AFAICT, there's essentially no spam.

    [Kinda like gmail that way.]

    -Miles

    --
    Christian, n. One who follows the teachings of Christ so long as they are not
    inconsistent with a life of sin.
     
    Miles Bader, Apr 7, 2010
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  19. Lars Uffmann

    Default User Guest

    "Miles Bader" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Ian Collins <> writes:
    >>> With today's spam, I would find it more useful to have a filter
    >>> that will check incoming posts for any of a list of web sites, and
    >>> if any of them are found, delete that post. Of course, my
    >>> newsreader does not offer that option.

    >>
    >> Nothing appears to have got through the filters news.individual.net for
    >> several days. You need to look at getting a better service.

    >
    > Seriously.
    >
    > I use news.individual.net, and AFAICT, there's essentially no spam.


    NIN uses a variety of "cleanfeed". I think primarily that's to eliminate
    binaries from their text-only system, but it also gets most of the spam. So,
    yay NIN.




    Brian
     
    Default User, Apr 7, 2010
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