The death of Google Groups

Discussion in 'C++' started by Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    actually writing something!

    Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?

    In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    groups are dead!

    I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE. The new
    interface is INEFFICIENT, and I am feeling it. I spent some time
    writing through an internet enable public booth phone and it was
    POSSIBLE. This thing here is supposedly magnitudes away in power and
    am having trouble with the new interface!

    I want the option to revert to the old groups without the overhead of
    whatever the system is doing to add the same, boring, actually
    oversized, internet buttons instead of plain agile links, and... new
    edit boxes that do not offer full functionality like native boxes?

    I think the maintainers of this dead product committed a mistake and
    had not the imagination to add new functionality or changes without
    making the interface look foreign and even non Occidental.

    So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
    choice? Mmmh?

    Danilo J Bonsignore
     
    Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Jul 28, 2012
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  2. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Tim Prince Guest

    On 7/28/2012 12:38 PM, Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:

    > So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
    > choice? Mmmh?


    You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google
    groups. google gateway appears to have been your own choice. The next
    choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well
    run specialist newsgroup servers.

    --
    Tim Prince
     
    Tim Prince, Jul 28, 2012
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  3. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Stuart Guest

    On 7/28/12 , Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:
    > The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    > ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    > Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    > reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    > new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    > actually writing something!


    [snip]

    It's really sad, but Google can do whatever it wants to its "costumers".
    And since their services are free, you are not really in a position to
    complain about it.

    I switched to news.eternal-september.org, and now I can even use
    Thunderbird again. That's an improvement with regard to the user
    interface that can never be equaled by any web-based newsreader. I'd
    advise you to do the same (it's free!)

    Stuart

    PS: When I heard that MS discontinued their newsgroups, I was having a
    laugh. I mean, how can they discontinue a newsgroup that is almost
    completely out of their control? Sadly, they seem to have succeeded.
    Although the newsgroups are still there, there are about 5 posts a month
    now. Apparently everybody's is in for the new rating system. Or maybe
    programmers that use MS's compilers are much more willing to be
    complaint with the way MS wants everybody to be. At least the famous Mr.
    Newcomer did not let himself get dictated what kind of newsserver he
    should use, so as long as he's still using the newsgroup, I consider it
    to be still alive.
     
    Stuart, Jul 28, 2012
    #3
  4. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    James Kanze Guest

    On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:38:43 PM UTC+1, Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:
    > The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    > ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...


    The new interface supports the ItsAllText plugin in Firefox; the
    old one didn't. So it's actually easier to type in my responses
    in vim than it used to be.

    --
    James
     
    James Kanze, Jul 29, 2012
    #4
  5. In article <>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore <> writes:

    >The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >actually writing something!
    >
    >Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >
    >In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >groups are dead!
    >
    >I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.


    That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    have chosen to use a web browser and Google.

    There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    something you don't like, use something else.

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    #include <Standard_Disclaimer>
    Life's too important to take seriously.
     
    Michael Stemper, Jul 31, 2012
    #5
  6. On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    > In article<>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >
    >> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >> actually writing something!
    >>
    >> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>
    >> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >> groups are dead!
    >>
    >> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

    >
    > That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    > which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    > have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >
    > There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    > something you don't like, use something else.
    >


    For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    people who make Firefox.

    I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.

    Dave
     
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #6
  7. On 08/01/2012 01:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    >> In
    >> article<>,
    >> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >>
    >>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >>> actually writing something!
    >>>
    >>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>>
    >>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >>> groups are dead!
    >>>
    >>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

    >>
    >> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    >> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    >> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >>
    >> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    >> something you don't like, use something else.
    >>

    >
    > For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    > people who make Firefox.
    >
    > I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    > news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    > "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
    >
    > Dave
    >


    P.S.:

    If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    e.g.
    Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    [etc. ]


    Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
    an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
    Minix around 1991-1992.

    That's when searching at Google archives.
     
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #7
  8. Problem is... you fall on any computer at hand, browse log into google
    groups and you are there. Only other similar page-server I found did
    not survive my third or fourth post. And I even mean street internet
    enabled phone booths, so it is like no escaping here.

    Danilo J Bonsignore
     
    Fabrizio J Bonsignore, Aug 1, 2012
    #8
  9. On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 08/01/2012 01:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    >> On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    >>> In
    >>> article<>,
    >>>
    >>> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >>>
    >>>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >>>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >>>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >>>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >>>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >>>> actually writing something!
    >>>>
    >>>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >>>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >>>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >>>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>>>
    >>>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >>>> groups are dead!
    >>>>
    >>>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
    >>>
    >>> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    >>> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    >>> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >>>
    >>> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    >>> something you don't like, use something else.
    >>>

    >>
    >> For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    >> people who make Firefox.
    >>
    >> I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    >> news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    >> "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
    >>
    >> Dave
    >>

    >
    > P.S.:
    >
    > If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    > It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    > e.g.
    > Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    > [etc. ]
    >


    Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:

    < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


    >
    > Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
    > an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
    > Minix around 1991-1992.
    >
    > That's when searching at Google archives.
    >
    >
     
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #9
  10. On 08/01/2012 02:13 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:

    [...]

    >>
    >> P.S.:
    >>
    >> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    >> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    >> e.g.
    >> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    >> [etc. ]
    >>

    >
    > Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:
    >
    > < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


    Or seems to be here (but harder to find):

    https://groups.google.com/group/sci...77511/858d4d62c111b74d?hl=en-GB͚d4d62c111b74d

    >
    >>
    >> Same would apply to Linus Torvalds' post mentioning
    >> an OS kernel developped from Andrew Tannenbaum's
    >> Minix around 1991-1992.
    >>
    >> That's when searching at Google archives.


    Dave
     
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #10
  11. On 08/01/2012 02:30 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 08/01/2012 02:13 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    >> On 08/01/2012 01:28 PM, David Bernier wrote:

    > [...]
    >
    >>>
    >>> P.S.:
    >>>
    >>> If I want to find Sir Andrew Wiles' post from around 1993-1994,
    >>> It's best if I know a lot about what I'm looking for,
    >>> e.g.
    >>> Andrew Wiles, Conference, gap
    >>> [etc. ]
    >>>

    >>
    >> Easier to find on David Rusin's web-pages:
    >>
    >> < http://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/known-math/93_back/wiles > .


    The French give the same posting date as Dave Rusin:
    Subject : Fermat Status
    Date : 4 Dec 93 01:36:50 GMT

    cf.:

    < http://www.math.jussieu.fr/~romagny/exposes/conference_fermat.pdf >

    by Matthieu Romagny.

    [...]
     
    David Bernier, Aug 1, 2012
    #11
  12. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Guest

    Hi
    We are thinking to build something for Google Groups as we feel EMail is not the right interface for Groups.
    Would request your feedback on this
    Help us by filling this survey.

    www.bit.ly/appgroupform

    Thanks!

    Robert




    On Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:08:43 PM UTC+5:30, Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:
    > The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >
    > ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >
    > Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >
    > reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >
    > new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >
    > actually writing something!
    >
    >
    >
    > Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >
    > up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >
    > interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >
    > Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >
    >
    >
    > In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >
    > groups are dead!
    >
    >
    >
    > I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE. The new
    >
    > interface is INEFFICIENT, and I am feeling it. I spent some time
    >
    > writing through an internet enable public booth phone and it was
    >
    > POSSIBLE. This thing here is supposedly magnitudes away in power and
    >
    > am having trouble with the new interface!
    >
    >
    >
    > I want the option to revert to the old groups without the overhead of
    >
    > whatever the system is doing to add the same, boring, actually
    >
    > oversized, internet buttons instead of plain agile links, and... new
    >
    > edit boxes that do not offer full functionality like native boxes?
    >
    >
    >
    > I think the maintainers of this dead product committed a mistake and
    >
    > had not the imagination to add new functionality or changes without
    >
    > making the interface look foreign and even non Occidental.
    >
    >
    >
    > So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
    >
    > choice? Mmmh?
    >
    >
    >
    > Danilo J Bonsignore
     
    , Aug 5, 2012
    #12
  13. On Aug 5, 10:00 pm, wrote:

    > Hi
    > We are thinking to build something for Google Groups as we feel EMail is not the right interface for Groups.


    who is "we" and who was talking about an Email interface?
    Has anyone from google seriously tried to use their new interface?
    Are they trying to kill off usenet support?

    > Would request your feedback on this
    > Help us by filling this survey.
    >
    > www.bit.ly/appgroupform


    404

    oh, and don't top-post

    > On Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:08:43 PM UTC+5:30, Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:
    >
    > > The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT


    <snip>
     
    Nick Keighley, Aug 7, 2012
    #13
  14. Fabrizio J Bonsignore

    Robert Miles Guest

    On 8/1/2012 12:15 PM, David Bernier wrote:
    > On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
    >> In
    >> article<>,
    >> Fabrizio J Bonsignore<> writes:
    >>
    >>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
    >>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
    >>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
    >>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
    >>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
    >>> actually writing something!
    >>>
    >>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
    >>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
    >>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
    >>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
    >>>
    >>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
    >>> groups are dead!
    >>>
    >>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

    >>
    >> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
    >> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
    >> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
    >>
    >> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
    >> something you don't like, use something else.
    >>

    >
    > For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
    > people who make Firefox.
    >
    > I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
    > news-readers. Using some form of filtering and/or
    > "spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.
    >
    > Dave


    I've found that about 99% of the spam is posted through Google Groups,
    and therefore reporting it to them regardless of where it it was
    posted tend to help persuade the spammer (or the spammer's boss)
    not to post any more spam to the same newsgroup. However, it
    usually takes two people reporting the same piece of spam to persuade
    Google Groups to remove it from their list of available posts. If
    you want to be one of the two, start here:

    https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!overview

    Once you've reached the newsgroup, start clicking on threads, but
    notice that spam threads usually have no replies (except from
    the same spammer). If you're the first person to report a piece
    of spam, click on the ! in the octagon, then the type of abuse
    (spam by default, but the other types usually get faster action
    if the post actually fits those descriptions), then Submit report.

    If you're not the first, the octagon will not appear and it will
    be more obvious how to agree that it is some form of abuse.

    Exception - if there are multiple posts in the thread, click on
    the triangle to the right of post reply if you're the first to
    report it as abuse, or scroll to the bottom of the post if
    you're the second.

    Or, if you're more politically active, persuade your government
    to pass a law saying that spammers no longer qualify as human,
    and therefore have no human rights, and no protection from
    people who hate them.

    Robert Miles
     
    Robert Miles, Sep 10, 2012
    #14
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