Universal Font

R

Raf256

Hi,
I wanted to have a font witch will look identical on most systems
(starting with Win32 browsers and Linux browsers).

Therefore I changed my font from verdana to arial, and I choose default
size of text to 14px (i realy want to use px to have more control over
page look, and my page has option to easly change font size/colors - to
use for vision-impared persions).

But is arial the right choise? AFAIR:

font-size: 14px; font-family: arial,courier,sans-serif,times;

looks still smaller on Linux machines then on PC... any other solution
(assuming I realy want px font-size)?
 
W

Whitecrest

Hi,
I wanted to have a font witch will look identical on most systems
(starting with Win32 browsers and Linux browsers).

According to most here, it does not matter what it looks like.
Presentation is useless. People will flock to your site no matter what
the presentation looks like as long as it is accessible to everyone in
the world.

(Man that really does sound dumb)

Pick one of the common font-families and choose em for sizes, then hope
for the best.
 
S

SpaceGirl

Whitecrest said:
According to most here, it does not matter what it looks like.
Presentation is useless. People will flock to your site no matter what
the presentation looks like as long as it is accessible to everyone in
the world.

(Man that really does sound dumb)

Pick one of the common font-families and choose em for sizes, then hope
for the best.

Not to me :) I thing this place has a lot of programmy time nerds who thing
the web is all about HTML and information... they forget we live in a world
where pressentation is usually more important than content.... blah.

Anyway; Arial is the font the OP needs.
 
B

brucie

in post: <
Whitecrest said:
According to most here, it does not matter what it looks like.
Presentation is useless.

46% of your visitors will piss off if they don't like the look of your
site (amateurish) or if it looks too good (slick).
People will flock to your site no matter what the presentation looks
like as long as it is accessible to everyone in the world.

75% of the 25-34 age group and 64% of the 45-54 age group will piss off
if the usability is poor
 
S

SpaceGirl

brucie said:
in post: <

46% of your visitors will piss off if they don't like the look of your
site (amateurish) or if it looks too good (slick).


75% of the 25-34 age group and 64% of the 45-54 age group will piss off
if the usability is poor

Likewise if the design is poor, I suspect.
 
W

Whitecrest

Not to me :) I thing this place has a lot of programmy time nerds who thing
the web is all about HTML and information... they forget we live in a world
where pressentation is usually more important than content.... blah.

Marry me!
 
S

SpaceGirl

Raf256 said:
Arial is most universal font? I can be almost shure it will be on Win and
all Linux machines?

It's on all Windows machine (it's shipped with Windows). Linux people are
too insignificant to worry about :) (hehehh I mean in the "consumer" market
anyway)
 
R

Raf256

It's on all Windows machine (it's shipped with Windows). Linux
people are too insignificant to worry about :) (hehehh I mean in the
"consumer" market anyway)

Page that im making currently is for scientists. Over 70% have Linux
there.
 
S

SpaceGirl

Raf256 said:
Page that im making currently is for scientists. Over 70% have Linux
there.

Then I'd stick with Times, or just dont bother defining a type face at all.
Just use a <p> tag and dont use CSS or <FONT> tags. The browser will display
whatever its default font is, and you need not worry about it.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Raf256 said:
I wanted to have a font witch will look identical on most systems

Stop wanting that.
(starting with Win32 browsers and Linux browsers).
Whatever.

Therefore I changed my font from verdana to arial,

Well, it's a move in the right direction. What made you use Verdana in
the first place? It's been discussed _many_ times that Verdana is not
suitable for copy text on Web pages _because_ it has been optimized for
screen use. (And you need to read the discussion to understand this
paradox.)
and I choose default size of text to 14px

Are you designing a browser, which _needs_ to have some default size set
in some sense, or have you got some content to deliver? In the latter
case, you are doing the wrong thing, and you are doing it wrong. The
common browser default of 16px is better than misguided author's attempts
to set the overall font size, _because_ 16px is somewhat too large on the
average. (You see this point if you consider the fact that about 50% of
people have less than average eyesight and the fact that a little too
large font size looks slightly odd whereas a little too small font size
is a nuisance - it reduces browsing experience, often so that the user
does not become aware of the problem, still less find a way to fix it.)
(i realy want to use px to have more
control over page look,

For a scientific document? (You later told: "Page that im making
currently is for scientists.")
and my page has option to easly change font
size/colors - to use for vision-impared persions).

No, that's just what you think. You try to _reduce_ people's
possibilities of controlling the font size in their browsers, and then
you present as excuse some homebrew method for changing font size.
People who _had_ learned to set their browser use the font size they need
would now have to learn _your_ way of doing something similar (let me
guess - it only works when JavaScript is enabled?), for viewing a single
page (or a single site), just to learn some other fancy method on someone
else's page.
But is arial the right choise?

Setting font-family: Arial is mostly harmless, but
font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
is sometimes mentioned as a safer way, since on Macs, the Arial font is
poor and Geneva is better (they say - I have no prima facie evidence).
font-size: 14px; font-family: arial,courier,sans-serif,times;

Are you serious? What could possibly be the point of mentioning Courier
for copy text, or mentioning anything after sans-serif? (Courier is
monospace and usually implemented as a bitmapped font, so it's a
remarkably poor choise.)
 
B

Brendan Taylor

According to most here, it does not matter what it looks like.
Presentation is useless. People will flock to your site no matter what
the presentation looks like as long as it is accessible to everyone in
the world.

(Man that really does sound dumb)

Your problem seems to be that you think doing things sensibly and doing
things prettily are mutually exclusive.
 

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