What's wrong with this code??

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Bob Mathewson, Mar 16, 2007.

  1. It's true: I don't know much about HTML; but am trying to learn. The code
    below is from a page on my personal site. It was originally done with
    PageMill v.3. I know, I know, but I've had no major problems with it
    before, even if it is obsolete.

    The problem is, when I load this page, the word "Indiana" above the Bobbitt
    family should display following the word "Elnora," as above the first
    graphic. I've looked at this code so long and so many times that I know I'm
    missing something simple.

    Can you...will you...help me here?

    Thanks in advance.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    <HTML>
    <HEAD>
    <TITLE>grandparents1</TITLE>
    </HEAD>
    <BODY BACKGROUND="bkgrnd_prchmnt_green.jpg" TEXT="#004000">

    <P><CENTER><BR>
    <TABLE WIDTH="95%" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="2" CELLPADDING="0">
    <tbody>
    <TR>
    <TD WIDTH="50%">
    <P><CENTER><B>Tom and Mary Mathewson family, ca. 1905<BR>
    Elnora, Indiana, </B><IMG SRC="tomandmary_family.jpg" WIDTH="339"
    HEIGHT="419" ALIGN="BOTTOM" BORDER="3" NATURALSIZEFLAG="3"> <B>Rear:
    Curtis, his wife Inez, Lev, Grace, Grover<BR>
    Center: Guy, Opal, Norman<BR>
    Seated: Grandma Mary, Lelah, Grandpa Tom&nbsp;</B></CENTER></TD>
    <TD WIDTH="50%">
    <P><CENTER><B>Joe and Dora Bobbitt family, ca. 1900<BR>
    Elnora, Indiana,</B><IMG SRC="joe_and_dora_bobbitt_family.jpg"
    WIDTH="334" HEIGHT="418" ALIGN="BOTTOM" BORDER="3" NATURALSIZEFLAG="3">
    <B>Rear: Joseph, Jessie, Gussie, Georgia<BR>
    Front: Hugh (&quot;Peck&quot;), Grandpa Joe, Avey, Grandma
    Dora</B></CENTER></TD>
    </TR></tbody>
    </TABLE></CENTER></P>

    <P><CENTER><HR><B><A HREF="index.htm">Back to Start</A><FONT COLOR="#004000"
    SIZE="+1"> </FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<A
    HREF="momanddad2.htm"
    grandparents2.htm="">More from Mom and Dad</A></B></CENTER>

    </BODY>
    </HTML>
     
    Bob Mathewson, Mar 16, 2007
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  2. Bob Mathewson

    Guest

    On Mar 15, 9:12 pm, "Bob Mathewson" <> wrote:
    > It's true: I don't know much about HTML; but am trying to learn. The code
    > below is from a page on my personal site. It was originally done with
    > PageMill v.3. I know, I know, but I've had no major problems with it
    > before, even if it is obsolete.
    >
    > The problem is, when I load this page, the word "Indiana" above the Bobbitt
    > family should display following the word "Elnora," as above the first
    > graphic. I've looked at this code so long and so many times that I know I'm
    > missing something simple.
    >
    > Can you...will you...help me here?
    >


    google css vertical-align

    if you want the image below text then add br before image after Elnora
     
    , Mar 16, 2007
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  3. Bob Mathewson wrote:
    > It's true: I don't know much about HTML; but am trying to learn. The code
    > below is from a page on my personal site. It was originally done with
    > PageMill v.3. I know, I know, but I've had no major problems with it
    > before, even if it is obsolete.
    >
    > The problem is, when I load this page, the word "Indiana" above the Bobbitt
    > family should display following the word "Elnora," as above the first
    > graphic. I've looked at this code so long and so many times that I know I'm
    > missing something simple.
    >
    > Can you...will you...help me here?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > <HTML>
    > <HEAD>
    > <TITLE>grandparents1</TITLE>
    > </HEAD>
    > <BODY BACKGROUND="bkgrnd_prchmnt_green.jpg" TEXT="#004000">
    >
    > <P><CENTER><BR>
    > <TABLE WIDTH="95%" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="2" CELLPADDING="0">
    > <tbody>
    > <TR>
    > <TD WIDTH="50%">
    > <P><CENTER><B>Tom and Mary Mathewson family, ca. 1905<BR>
    > Elnora, Indiana, </B><IMG SRC="tomandmary_family.jpg" WIDTH="339"
    > HEIGHT="419" ALIGN="BOTTOM" BORDER="3" NATURALSIZEFLAG="3"> <B>Rear:
    > Curtis, his wife Inez, Lev, Grace, Grover<BR>
    > Center: Guy, Opal, Norman<BR>
    > Seated: Grandma Mary, Lelah, Grandpa Tom&nbsp;</B></CENTER></TD>
    > <TD WIDTH="50%">
    > <P><CENTER><B>Joe and Dora Bobbitt family, ca. 1900<BR>
    > Elnora, Indiana,</B><IMG SRC="joe_and_dora_bobbitt_family.jpg"
    > WIDTH="334" HEIGHT="418" ALIGN="BOTTOM" BORDER="3" NATURALSIZEFLAG="3">
    > <B>Rear: Joseph, Jessie, Gussie, Georgia<BR>
    > Front: Hugh (&quot;Peck&quot;), Grandpa Joe, Avey, Grandma
    > Dora</B></CENTER></TD>
    > </TR></tbody>
    > </TABLE></CENTER></P>
    >
    > <P><CENTER><HR><B><A HREF="index.htm">Back to Start</A><FONT COLOR="#004000"
    > SIZE="+1"> </FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<A
    > HREF="momanddad2.htm"
    > grandparents2.htm="">More from Mom and Dad</A></B></CENTER>

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Assign of HTML 3.2 error markup there looks like a errant bit of pasted
    markup...cut and past error?


    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, Mar 16, 2007
    #3
  4. Scripsit Bob Mathewson:

    > The code below is from a page on my personal site. It was originally
    > done with PageMill v.3. I know, I know, but I've had no major
    > problems with it before, even if it is obsolete.


    Yes, we can see that it comes from PageMill, because the NATURALSIZEFLAG
    attribute is its creation and ignored by all other software. And yes, it's
    really messy. If you plan to create several such pages according to the same
    template, I'd suggest designing a better template.

    > The problem is, when I load this page, the word "Indiana" above the
    > Bobbitt family should display following the word "Elnora," as above
    > the first graphic.


    Strange things happen to your page when the browser window width is varied -
    the texts appear oddly placed.

    The immediate fix is to put <br> right before and after the <img> tags. This
    makes the images appear on "lines" of their own. Without that, the browser
    treats the images as huge letters that may be placed on the same line as
    text characters.

    Moreover, changing <TR> to <TR valign="top"> (or doing the same thing in
    CSS) would probably make the appearance better.

    > <TITLE>grandparents1</TITLE>


    Whose? A <title> element should specify the external title of a page, to be
    used in many contexts so that it alone gives an idea of what the page is
    about. It should be understandable as such, without seeing the page at all.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
     
    Jukka K. Korpela, Mar 16, 2007
    #4
  5. On Mar 15, 11:12 pm, "Bob Mathewson" <> wrote:
    > The problem is, when I load this page, the word "Indiana" above the Bobbitt


    Bobbit as in "damn bitch you cut my dick off" Bobbit?
     
    Travis Newbury, Mar 16, 2007
    #5
  6. Thank you for your helpful suggestion...I was wondering how long it would be
    before some cretin asked such a question!
    You would get the prize, except for the fact that you spelled it wrong.
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    "Travis Newbury" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mar 15, 11:12 pm, "Bob Mathewson" <> wrote:
    >> The problem is, when I load this page, the word "Indiana" above the
    >> Bobbitt

    >
    > Bobbit as in "damn bitch you cut my dick off" Bobbit?
    >
     
    Bob Mathewson, Mar 16, 2007
    #6
  7. Bob Mathewson

    Neredbojias Guest

    On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:44:47 GMT Bob Mathewson scribed:

    > Thank you for your helpful suggestion...I was wondering how long it
    > would be before some cretin asked such a question!


    Er, I didn't see any suggestion, helpful or otherwise. Furthermore, we've
    got much better cretins than Travy, to be sure.

    > You would get the prize, except for the fact that you spelled it
    > wrong.


    So who are you, bloomin' Henry Higgins? Btw, it is customary and
    considered politic to place replied-to text _before_ any original drivel
    one may spew.

    --
    Neredbojias
    He who laughs last sounds like an idiot.
     
    Neredbojias, Mar 17, 2007
    #7
  8. Well first of all, you've got to learn at least html 4.0 if you want to
    survive, your code isn't wrong it's just deprecated ( well there is a bunch
    of errors too...), here: I've corrected it:

    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
    <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

    <!--//Head-->
    <head>

    <!--//Meta Tags-->
    <!--Fill in the blanks-->
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
    <meta name="keywords" content="" />
    <meta name="description" content="" />
    <meta name="author" content="Levastre David Alexandre" />
    <meta name="revised" content="" />
    <meta name="generator" content="Notepad" />

    <!--//Title-->
    <title>grandparents1</title>

    <!--//Browser Icon-->
    <!--Fill in the blanks-->
    <link rel="shortcut icon" href="" />

    <!--//Style-->
    <style type="text/css">

    ..corecolor {color:#004000}
    ..navcolor {color:#004000; size:+1}
    </style>

    <!--//Scripts-->
    <script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">

    <!--
    function MM_reloadPage(init) { //reloads the window if Nav4 resized
    if (init==true) with (navigator) {if
    ((appName=="Netscape")&&(parseInt(appVersion)==4)) {
    document.MM_pgW=innerWidth; document.MM_pgH=innerHeight;
    onresize=MM_reloadPage; }}
    else if (innerWidth!=document.MM_pgW || innerHeight!=document.MM_pgH)
    location.reload();
    }
    MM_reloadPage(true);
    //-->

    </script>

    </head>

    <!--//Body-->
    <body background="bkgrnd_prchmnt_green.jpg">

    <br />
    <table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0"
    class="corecolor">
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td><div align="center"><b>Tom and Mary Mathewson family, ca.
    1905</b></div></td>
    <td><div align="center"><b>Joe and Dora Bobbitt family, ca.
    1900</b></div></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td width="50%"><div align="center"><p>
    <p><b>Elnora, Indiana,</b><br />
    <img src="tomandmary_family.jpg" width="339" height="419"
    align="bottom" border="3"></p>
    <p><b>Rear:
    Curtis, his wife Inez, Lev, Grace, Grover<br />
    Center: Guy, Opal, Norman<br />
    Seated: Grandma Mary, Lelah, Grandpa Tom&nbsp;</b></div></p>
    </td>
    <td width="50%"><div align="center">
    <p><b>Elnora, Indiana,</b><br />
    <img src="joe_and_dora_bobbitt_family.jpg" width="334" height="418"
    align="bottom" border="3"></p>
    <p><b>Rear: Joseph, Jessie, Gussie, Georgia<br />
    Front: Hugh (&quot;Peck&quot;), Grandpa Joe, Avey, Grandma
    Dora</b>
    </p>
    </div>
    <P></td>
    </tr></tbody>
    </table>
    </p>

    <hr />
    <p align="center" class="navcolor"><b><a href="index.htm">Back to
    Start</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="momanddad2.htm">More
    from Mom and Dad</a></b></p>

    </body>
    </html>

    Copy and paste it into notepad save it as as a *.htm and you're done: but
    take a good look at it and compare it with the code you gave me.

    Have a nice day.

    Alucard
    GAT d-@ s:- a-? C++ UL++ P+ L+ E++ W++>$ N K w++++>$ O- M- V- PS+ PE Y PGP t
    5 X+ R+ ()R++ tv- b++ DI++ D+ G++ e h- r+ y++>$
    www.calquemare.com
     
    Alucard Calquemare, Mar 18, 2007
    #8
  9. Scripsit Alucard Calquemare:

    > Well first of all,


    First of all, if you are commenting on something, you should quote or
    paraphrase a key sentence or too, to give context. Deviating from this is
    taken as a cluelessness indicator on Usenet, much the same way as quoting an
    entire posting is.

    > you've got to learn at least html 4.0 if you want
    > to survive,


    Hardly, and surely not from you.

    Surely the OP might benefit from a somewhat more systematic and modern
    approach to HTML authoring, but nobody will get killed or even seriously
    hurt for tag soup HTML.

    > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"


    XHTML on web pages is pointless. We've discussed this several times, but you
    decided to jump into the group and start preaching without checking the
    audience.

    Using Transitional when you present something as an improved rewrite of
    something is clueless, unless you can explain and do explain some acceptable
    reason for using Transitional features for some real purpose.

    > <!--//Head-->
    > <head>


    That's idiotic. Figuratively speaking. I don't want to insult idiots; idiots
    don't create web pages and don't write such foolish "comments".

    > <meta name="description" content="" />


    You just copied some template and threw it at us without thinking much, did
    you?

    > <title>grandparents1</title>


    I made a remark about this, a practically relevant one. You apparently
    didn't even read the answers given so far before posting your
    "contribution".

    > .navcolor {color:#004000; size:+1}


    As if the common mistake of setting color without setting background were
    not enough, you add some grossly malformed CSS code.

    > function MM_reloadPage(init) { //reloads the window if Nav4 resized


    Copying code that purported does something for "Nav4" is very foolish. Do
    you have any idea of how "much" Netscape 4 is currently used?

    > <br />


    Using line break to create vertical spacing? Looks like you never really
    tried to learn CSS seriously.

    > <img src="tomandmary_family.jpg" width="339" height="419"
    > align="bottom" border="3"></p>


    You don't even write valid markup.

    > <p align="center" class="navcolor"><b><a href="index.htm">Back to
    > Start</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a
    > href="momanddad2.htm">More from Mom and Dad</a></b></p>


    That's about 1997 vintage HTML. I don't blame anyone for using it on old
    pages of their own, but I do laugh at people who present it as recommended
    markup in public.

    > GAT d-@ s:- a-? C++ UL++ P+ L+ E++ W++>$ N K w++++>$ O- M- V- PS+ PE
    > Y PGP t 5 X+ R+ ()R++ tv- b++ DI++ D+ G++ e h- r+ y++>$


    Well, that describes the value of your posting, and it is noteworthy that
    you present it as message content proper, not in a Usenet-style signature.

    --
    Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
     
    Jukka K. Korpela, Mar 18, 2007
    #9
  10. Moï,
    As much as I love suomi, I'm not that fond of being insulted by a
    suomalainen or anyone else (except by Elina perhaps, but her rear make it
    much more bearable). As I said I'm a noob, I don't mind critics and
    recommendations on the way I post or on the content of what I post. But the
    way you put it is rather unpleasant to say the least, so I'll explain you
    how I felt about it: in the first place I was more like: "Minua vituttaa!"
    But I'm in another mood now. A suomalinen friend of mine (Anna) told me one
    day that Finnish people are much more composed and modest than the
    ranskanlainen I was, and she taught me a saying: "Modesty makes beautiful".
    I still believe in what she said, I just think that being a bit popular in
    the IT area makes you feel a bit too overconfident and critical. "Koulutus:
    filosofian kandidaatti, pääaineena matematiikka..." As you may have
    forgotten Berkeley claimed that philosophy was nothing other than the study
    of wisdom and truth. I'll give you an A for truth and an F minus for wisdom.
    "Docendo disco, scribendo cogito" is your motto isn't it? The more I learn
    about you, the more I laugh. Do you ever apply what you preach? or do you
    just throw some nice cryptical phrases thinking it'll sound good? Ah, you
    are indeed literate, I was afraid you were just some old fashioned math
    geezer. I hope all of the FK are not like you. Another time, another place,
    I would have been very excited about having a little chat with you but well,
    considering whom you really are now, I'll pass. I've got much more
    intellectually stimulating things to do right now like sorting my socks. As
    well as I am probably an idiot you are most certainly an old fart and I'm
    not going to give you the pleasure to bow down before your sorry ass because
    you wrote some books about XHTML and other shits. I could have wrote this
    little reply in Finnish, in order to prove you that I'm not as stupid as I
    seem to be, but it will have taken away the pleasure of knowing that others
    non Finnish speaker would read it.

    Moï moï juntti, and don't forget: suksi vittuun!

    Alucard
    GAT d-@ s:- a-? C++ UL++ P+ L+ E++ W++>$ N K w++++>$ O- M- V- PS+ PE Y PGP t
    5 X+ R+ ()R++ tv- b++ DI++ D+ G++ e h- r+ y++>$
    www.calquemare.com

    "Jukka K. Korpela" <> wrote in message
    news:JScLh.19487$...
    > Scripsit Alucard Calquemare:
    >
    >> Well first of all,

    >
    > First of all, if you are commenting on something, you should quote or
    > paraphrase a key sentence or too, to give context. Deviating from this is
    > taken as a cluelessness indicator on Usenet, much the same way as quoting
    > an entire posting is.
    >
    >> you've got to learn at least html 4.0 if you want
    >> to survive,

    >
    > Hardly, and surely not from you.
    >
    > Surely the OP might benefit from a somewhat more systematic and modern
    > approach to HTML authoring, but nobody will get killed or even seriously
    > hurt for tag soup HTML.
    >
    >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"

    >
    > XHTML on web pages is pointless. We've discussed this several times, but
    > you decided to jump into the group and start preaching without checking
    > the audience.
    >
    > Using Transitional when you present something as an improved rewrite of
    > something is clueless, unless you can explain and do explain some
    > acceptable reason for using Transitional features for some real purpose.
    >
    >> <!--//Head-->
    >> <head>

    >
    > That's idiotic. Figuratively speaking. I don't want to insult idiots;
    > idiots don't create web pages and don't write such foolish "comments".
    >
    >> <meta name="description" content="" />

    >
    > You just copied some template and threw it at us without thinking much,
    > did you?
    >
    >> <title>grandparents1</title>

    >
    > I made a remark about this, a practically relevant one. You apparently
    > didn't even read the answers given so far before posting your
    > "contribution".
    >
    >> .navcolor {color:#004000; size:+1}

    >
    > As if the common mistake of setting color without setting background were
    > not enough, you add some grossly malformed CSS code.
    >
    >> function MM_reloadPage(init) { //reloads the window if Nav4 resized

    >
    > Copying code that purported does something for "Nav4" is very foolish. Do
    > you have any idea of how "much" Netscape 4 is currently used?
    >
    >> <br />

    >
    > Using line break to create vertical spacing? Looks like you never really
    > tried to learn CSS seriously.
    >
    >> <img src="tomandmary_family.jpg" width="339" height="419"
    >> align="bottom" border="3"></p>

    >
    > You don't even write valid markup.
    >
    >> <p align="center" class="navcolor"><b><a href="index.htm">Back to
    >> Start</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a
    >> href="momanddad2.htm">More from Mom and Dad</a></b></p>

    >
    > That's about 1997 vintage HTML. I don't blame anyone for using it on old
    > pages of their own, but I do laugh at people who present it as recommended
    > markup in public.
    >
    >> GAT d-@ s:- a-? C++ UL++ P+ L+ E++ W++>$ N K w++++>$ O- M- V- PS+ PE
    >> Y PGP t 5 X+ R+ ()R++ tv- b++ DI++ D+ G++ e h- r+ y++>$

    >
    > Well, that describes the value of your posting, and it is noteworthy that
    > you present it as message content proper, not in a Usenet-style signature.
    >
    > --
    > Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
    > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
     
    Alucard Calquemare, Mar 18, 2007
    #10
  11. Alucard Calquemare wrote:
    > Moï,
    > As much as I love suomi, I'm not that fond of being insulted by a
    > suomalainen or anyone else (except by Elina perhaps, but her rear make it
    > much more bearable). As I said I'm a noob, I don't mind critics and
    > recommendations on the way I post or on the content of what I post. But the
    > way you put it is rather unpleasant to say the least, so I'll explain you

    <snip the rest>

    Hmmm let's see, real newbie mistakes... post inaccurate information,
    post without quoting, top-post, get hurt and pick a fight with Jukka...

    Advice: Lurk awhile to get familiar with the process ans protocol. Review

    http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/
    alt.html FAQ: Usenet Etiquette

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
    Netiquette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And search first before posting.

    Do the above and I will assure you that your experience will be more
    pleasurable and informative.


    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
     
    Jonathan N. Little, Mar 18, 2007
    #11
  12. Bob Mathewson

    Bergamot Guest

    Alucard Calquemare wrote:
    >
    > <meta name="generator" content="Notepad" />


    That seems very unlikely. My bet goes on
    <meta name="generator" content="Macromedia Dreamweaver 8.2" />

    You really should take Mr Little's advice and lurk here a bit before
    posting. At least then you'll know who the regular players are and what
    kind of response your postings are likely to get.

    --
    Berg
     
    Bergamot, Mar 18, 2007
    #12
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