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Message: [QUOTE="Paul Jones, post: 2016510"] One of the problems that I personally have with Flash is that it lays you open to looking at a lot of very invasive advertising, often with annoying moving images. It also means that you have to watch, or explicitly turn off, an intro on lots of web sites. I'm clearly at odds with a lot of people here on this, but I'm not going going to write for a system that I personally dislike and I'm not going to write a web site that I can't view on my own system. Another web site of mine has an average of nearly 3,000 page views per day. My tracker for this site keeps a record of what plugins my visitors have installed and the results are as follows: 1. Dynamic HTML Binding 66.7 % 2. Windows Media Services 63.3 % 3. No plug-ins measured 30.0 % 4. Shockwave Flash 6.7 % 5. Shockwave for Director 6.7 % 6. RealPlayer 3.3 % 7. QuickTime 3.3 % It appears that it is really not true that most people have Flash installed. Take care, Paul [/QUOTE]