nonce

[Chad Perrin]

Fascinating. So you were actaully born with a priori knowledge of the
word nonce.

Of course not. The first time I ran across it was in print. I think I
was six at the time.

 

[James Britt]

Überclass!

Well, with a little effort, we can have Rüby, and then Eigenklasse may
fit better.

 

[Trans]

Well, with a little effort, we can have Rüby, and then Eigenklasse may
fit better.

Rüby == Ruby 2.0 ;-)

 

[Hal Fulton]

Are you aware of its meaning, though?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nonce

LOL... I'd bet that the books Matt reads don't use
that kind of slang in general.

And yes, I do have some idea of what Matt reads.

I wonder if I might have originally learned it from
Doyle, Verne, and Wells? I know I didn't read any
Shakespeare until 9th grade or so. And I have a
feeling "nonce" was lying around in my mind long
before I had a chance to use it in conversation.


Hal

 

[Hal Fulton]

'Eigen' is indeed German, but I've always seen the word as patterned
after the mathematical term 'eigenvector', which is used in English.

I was thinking eigenvalue, but same principle.

In any case, if it were really German, wouldn't it be 'Eigenklasse'?

Good point. Is it Vector or Vektor in German? As for "Value" -- I
think that's a good German word. Not sure.


Hal

 

[Hal Fulton]

1. The term "eigenvector" has only become a de facto standard in English
fairly recently. A great deal of theoretical math done by French and
Russian mathematicians used non-German terminology for a somewhat
obvious reason before the two World Wars. When this mathematics was
translated into English, the term "proper vector" was heavily used, as
well as some others. Other instances of this phenomenon are the
Cauchy-Schwartz-Bunyakovsky inequality and the Gauss-Legendre least
squares algorithm.

Holy Wronskian, Batman. I haven't heard those terms since I was 20.

2. What's an "eigen-nonce"?

Your own personal pedophile?


Hal

 

[Trans]

Your own personal pedophile?

All the cool kids have one.

 

[Matt Lawrence]

LOL... I'd bet that the books Matt reads don't use
that kind of slang in general.

And yes, I do have some idea of what Matt reads.

I wonder if I might have originally learned it from
Doyle, Verne, and Wells? I know I didn't read any
Shakespeare until 9th grade or so. And I have a
feeling "nonce" was lying around in my mind long
before I had a chance to use it in conversation.

I was thinking more of Terry Pratchett...

-- Matt
It's not what I know that counts.
It's what I can remember in time to use.

 

[nobu]

Hi,

At Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:50:30 +0900,
Simen Edvardsen wrote in [ruby-talk:207829]:

We really should have a Japanese name for it. What's Japanese for
"Singleton class" ?

Tokui (singular, peculiar, unique) Kurasu (class).

# Sometimes Tokui is written as "strong point" wrongly.

 

[Trans]

Hi,

At Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:50:30 +0900,
Simen Edvardsen wrote in [ruby-talk:207829]:

We really should have a Japanese name for it. What's Japanese for
"Singleton class" ?

Tokui (singular, peculiar, unique) Kurasu (class).

Tokui. Hmm... kind reminds me of Token.

T.

 

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

Good point. Is it Vector or Vektor in German? As for "Value" -- I
think that's a good German word. Not sure.

Speaking of German, there's an apocryphal tale about an American
visiting a German friend who was a chemistry professor. The professor
was taking him on a tour of the lab, and the American remarked, "German
universities seem to have lots of benefactors, unlike the ones where I
live." The professor asked, "Why do you say that?" And the American
replied, "Look at all the bottles on the shelf -- most of them are
marked 'Gift'."

<rimshot>

 

[Logan Capaldo]

Speaking of German, there's an apocryphal tale about an American
visiting a German friend who was a chemistry professor. The
professor was taking him on a tour of the lab, and the American
remarked, "German universities seem to have lots of benefactors,
unlike the ones where I live." The professor asked, "Why do you say
that?" And the American replied, "Look at all the bottles on the
shelf -- most of them are marked 'Gift'."

<rimshot>

Groooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooan

 

[Justin Collins]

Actually I'm thinking of the umlauted o; the umlauted u sounds more like
"ue"...so we'd have "ueberclass" and "rueby"...which sound a bit weird.
Let's not fall into the Mötley Crüe trap, shall we?

Too late...

http://www.cafepress.com/speedmetalruby

-Justin

 

[Matt Todd]

Hah, sorry David: did it again.

I want one that says pro-singleton on the front and anti-singleton on
the back. Just like Ruby ;-)

T.

That's the meaning behind the shirt.

M.T.

 

[dblack]

Hi --

Hah, sorry David: did it again.


That's the meaning behind the shirt.

It's still a little obscure to me but I imagine that's meant to be
part of its charm


David

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[Trans]

Hi --



It's still a little obscure to me but I imagine that's meant to be
part of its charm

Well, I suppose to be exact the inside of the shirt should say
"pro-singleton" and the outside "anti-singleton" --that would be like
Ruby where there is on #singleton method, but under the hood there are
rb_singleton... refrences. But then nobody would see a "pro-singleton"
message on the inside of a shirt

In any case, this little shirt has insipired me in other directions
too! As of this day, Aug 15th, 2006, I declare that the oft mentioned
"God particle" of T.O.E. be dubbed the "Singleton particle". (If this
particle turns out not to be a Boson and there is such a thing as an
Anti-Singleton, then God help us all!

T.

 

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

Well, I suppose to be exact the inside of the shirt should say
"pro-singleton" and the outside "anti-singleton" --that would be like
Ruby where there is on #singleton method, but under the hood there are
rb_singleton... refrences. But then nobody would see a "pro-singleton"
message on the inside of a shirt

In any case, this little shirt has insipired me in other directions
too! As of this day, Aug 15th, 2006, I declare that the oft mentioned
"God particle" of T.O.E. be dubbed the "Singleton particle". (If this
particle turns out not to be a Boson and there is such a thing as an
Anti-Singleton, then God help us all!

T.

I think we're all bosons on this bus.

 

[ts]

T> Well, I suppose to be exact the inside of the shirt should say
T> "pro-singleton" and the outside "anti-singleton" --that would be like
T> Ruby where there is on #singleton method, but under the hood there are
T> rb_singleton... refrences. But then nobody would see a "pro-singleton"
T> message on the inside of a shirt

This is because you don't want to see it

moulon% ruby -e 'p Kernel.private_methods.grep(/singleton/)'
["singleton_method_removed", "singleton_method_undefined", "singleton_method_added"]
moulon%

Even ruby know what is a singleton class

moulon% ruby -e 'class << Object; self end.dup'
-e:1:in `initialize_copy': can't copy singleton class (TypeError)
from -e:1
moulon%



Guy Decoux

 

[Trans]

T> Well, I suppose to be exact the inside of the shirt should say
T> "pro-singleton" and the outside "anti-singleton" --that would be like
T> Ruby where there is on #singleton method, but under the hood there are
T> rb_singleton... refrences. But then nobody would see a "pro-singleton"
T> message on the inside of a shirt

This is because you don't want to see it

moulon% ruby -e 'p Kernel.private_methods.grep(/singleton/)'
["singleton_method_removed", "singleton_method_undefined", "singleton_method_added"]
moulon%

Even ruby know what is a singleton class

moulon% ruby -e 'class << Object; self end.dup'
-e:1:in `initialize_copy': can't copy singleton class (TypeError)
from -e:1
moulon%

Yes, you're right. But it has been a slow "turning the shirt inside
out" --differnt names had been used and there is still no direct
#singleton_class method.

And in anycase, I still think it's rather sad that another name can't
be arrived at, so as to avoid terminology clash wtih "that other
singleton". I mean, metaclass was abandoned becuase it was too general
and virtual class because of a clash with those in C. Is it so hard to
pick a name that isn't already being used? And it's not like it's a
word being used in the pottery field or some other totally separate
parlance. Singleton has meaning in this very realm: require
'singleton'.

And besides that:
http://7rans0noma.blogspot.com/2006/07/singleton-2-legion.html

So maybe the whole "singly"' thing isn't so imparative. I've been
thinking about the utiltiy of this "legionary" approach in
prototype-based coding for instance.

T.