robots.txt and search engines for frames website

[Daniel Vesma]

Hi,

I'm developing a website for a photographic agent at the moment. The
site using frames for navigation, thumbnails etc. We want to get
the site listed on google (and ideally other search engines), so I was
wondering how best to construct the site to get it listed.

Should I use a robots.txt file to keep googlebot away from all pages
other than my index.html (the FRAMESET), and put a description of
the site in the <NOFRAMES></NOFRAMES> area?

How would you guys handle this? I've been out of the game for quite a
while, and search-engines seam to have changed. You have to pay to get
listed on some?

Ohhhhh, give me the days of IE4 and designing for 640x480!

DV

 

[William Tasso]

...
Ohhhhh, give me the days of IE4 and designing for 640x480!

Without wishing to start a war <takes cover anyway> when ie4 was released
the 21" monitor on my workstation was set to a resolution somewhat different
to 640x800 and the O/S I was using then allowed windows to be resized
anyway.

 

[brucie]

I'm developing a website for a photographic agent at the moment. The
site using frames for navigation, thumbnails etc.

that is not a reason to use frames. remove the frames.

http://html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/l_vajzovic/tom/web/frames.html
http://stone.thecoreworlds.net/www/frames/

 

[Art Sackett]

Well howdy, Young Daniel! Long time no see. I hope all's well in your
world.

I'm developing a website for a photographic agent at the moment. The
site using frames for navigation, thumbnails etc. We want to get
the site listed on google (and ideally other search engines), so I was
wondering how best to construct the site to get it listed.

Frames ain't it. ;-)

How would you guys handle this?

This is one of those cases where I'd look to using a preprocessor such
as WML (if the content won't change often) or using SSI (if the content
will be changing often).

I've been out of the game for quite a
while, and search-engines seam to have changed. You have to pay to get
listed on some?

It's certainly worth considering how much/little referral traffic each
can be expected to deliver before coughing up the cash. One can make a
good living on the referral traffic from Google and DMOZ, having never
spent a dime for a listing.

I have a client who shall remain nameless who spends far more money on
keeping their ranking at Overture than they'd have spent paying me to
keep them topped out at Google, and they'd have made far more sales as
a result. They're slowly coming to that realization... and it's only
been four years since we last updated their site. Wow.

Ohhhhh, give me the days of IE4 and designing for 640x480!

No.

 

[Daniel Vesma]

I'm developing a website for a photographic agent at the moment. The

that is not a reason to use frames. remove the frames.

I know frames cause all sorts of hastle, and that they're not ideal for
getting your site listed. Indeed if designing from scratch, I wouldn't
use them at all. However, the client had a basic design in mind, and it
did require frames. The site is aimed at people who work in high-up jobs
in london advertising agencys. Those people will be using decent spec
machines.

Cheers,

DV

 

[brucie]

I know frames cause all sorts of hastle, and that they're not ideal for
getting your site listed.

they're not ideal for much of anything.

Indeed if designing from scratch, I wouldn't
use them at all. However, the client had a basic design in mind, and it
did require frames.

i find that hard to believe

The site is aimed at people who work in high-up jobs
in london advertising agencys. Those people will be using decent spec
machines.

"decent spec machines" has nothing to do with how crap they are. you
should be removing the frames not continuing the evilness.

 

[brucie]

He wanted a lot of large thumbnails in a band that could scroll, and to
have a large image appear above them when one is clicked on. Sounds like
frames to me.

sounds like CSS to me

 

[Daniel Vesma]

sounds like CSS to me

Could that be achieved in CSS?

 

[brucie]

Could that be achieved in CSS?

yep, i'm working on it now, gimme a while. i'm just finding some
suitable images.

 

[brucie]

yep, i'm working on it now, gimme a while. i'm just finding some
suitable images.

http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.php

scroll doesn't appear until the browser width is around 770px. scroll
behavior is buggy with opera7 but still usable. seems ok with IE6 and
moz1.4.

 

[PeterMcC]

http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.php

scroll doesn't appear until the browser width is around 770px. scroll
behavior is buggy with opera7 but still usable. seems ok with IE6 and
moz1.4.

'kin brilliant.

 

[David Graham]

http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.php

I would really like to study your php - any chance of making it available?
thanks
David

 

[brucie]

I would really like to study your php - any chance of making it available?
thanks

http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.phps

 

[Daniel Vesma]

http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.php

scroll doesn't appear until the browser width is around 770px. scroll
behavior is buggy with opera7 but still usable. seems ok with IE6 and
moz1.4.

That is well smart mate. I stand corrected.

DV

 

[David Graham]

http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.phps

Many thanks, plenty for me to study in that.
David

 

[Jacqui or (maybe) Pete]

....
http://usenet.alt-html.org/bugs/bugs.php

Awesome stuff. I hadn't ever really thought about how php & css could
conspire to achieve effects like this.