A public domain alternative?

[Thinkit]

I think there is an open source virtual machine being worked on,
perhaps because of fear of Sun's control (and financial status).
Microsoft made C#, so wouldn't it be great of the independent
community could come up with a truly public domain language? One not
infected with the decimal radix. And with operator overloading back!

 

[Harald Hein]

I think there is an open source virtual machine being worked on,
perhaps because of fear of Sun's control (and financial status).
Microsoft made C#, so wouldn't it be great of the independent
community could come up with a truly public domain language?

No. There is no shortage of free (in whatever sense of the word)
languages. There was a time when every CS student thought he had to
give the world a new language.

Pick one of those if you miss a feature in Java.

 

[Noel]

I think there is an open source virtual machine being worked on,
perhaps because of fear of Sun's control (and financial status).
Microsoft made C#, so wouldn't it be great of the independent
community could come up with a truly public domain language? One not
infected with the decimal radix. And with operator overloading back!

There is an open-source JVM called Kaffee, but it's still Java, and I
haven't heard very good things about it.

 

[Jezuch]

U¿ytkownik Noel napisa³:

There is an open-source JVM called Kaffee, but it's still Java, and I
haven't heard very good things about it.

Kaffe, SableVM, gij... They say they can run pretty non-trivial Java apps,
but some of my little programs are close to trivial and they can't swallow
them The problem is not the VM (this part is actually very simple) but
the libraries.

 

[Thinkit]

No. There is no shortage of free (in whatever sense of the word)
languages. There was a time when every CS student thought he had to
give the world a new language.

Pick one of those if you miss a feature in Java.

Has anybody ever made a language not infected by decimal, in the whole
world, anywhere???

 

[Christophe Vanfleteren]

Has anybody ever made a language not infected by decimal, in the whole
world, anywhere???

No, because nobody cares about that.

 

[Daniel Bonniot]

so wouldn't it be great of the independent

community could come up with a truly public domain language? One not
infected with the decimal radix. And with operator overloading back!

There are plenty of languages that compile to the JVM, and many are
public domain or open source. See
http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html

Cheers,

Daniel

The Nice language: http://nice.sf.net (has operator overloading ;-)

 

[Thinkit]

U¿ytkownik Noel napisa³:

Kaffe, SableVM, gij... They say they can run pretty non-trivial Java apps,
but some of my little programs are close to trivial and they can't swallow
them The problem is not the VM (this part is actually very simple) but
the libraries.

Are they infected by decimal? Does their source code have decimal literals?

 

[Chris Smith]

Are they infected by decimal? Does their source code have decimal literals?

Okay, I'll bite... what do you have against decimal?

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[Roedy Green]

One not
infected with the decimal radix.

You want binary for speed, correct?

 

[Thomas Schodt]

(e-mail address removed) (Thinkit) wrote in

I think there is an open source virtual machine being worked on,
perhaps because of fear of Sun's control (and financial status).

Define "open source".
You can download the source for the Sun JVM.

Microsoft made C#, so wouldn't it be great of the independent
community could come up with a truly public domain language?
perl?

One not infected with the decimal radix.

The human brain is infected with decimal radix.
Something to do with the combined number of digits on two hands.

And with operator overloading back!

Without operator overloading you actually need some kind of tool to
accomplish source obfuscation.

 

[Thomas Schodt]

(e-mail address removed) (Thinkit) wrote in

Are they infected by decimal?
Does their source code have decimal literals?

Java allows you to use any radix (up to 36) for your literals
(with minimal effort on your part):

static final int LITERAL = Integer.parseInt("1101001011010010",2);

It's just that there are shortcuts for base-10 and base-16
(the most commonly used radix).

 

[Noel]

Define "open source".

You can download the source for the Sun JVM.

Where? I work with the Sun JVM and I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
The libraries are open-source.

 

[Thomas Schodt]

Where? I work with the Sun JVM and I had to sign a non-disclosure
agreement. The libraries are open-source.

http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/

 

[Noel]

http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/

Interesting. A couple of points:

1. It is not Open Source. It is "Sun Community Source" - take a look at
http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/principles.html - that
gives the differences.

2. It is not the same JVM you can get from java.sun.com - you have to
register for this one.

Nevertheless, still nice to see an "open access" JVM.

 

[Brian Palmer]

Has anybody ever made a language not infected by decimal, in the whole
world, anywhere???

Funge98 uses only hexadecimal literals. Brainf*ck has no literals
whatsoever.

 

[Thinkit]

Funge98 uses only hexadecimal literals. Brainf*ck has no literals
whatsoever.

Hmm, I don't see how Funge98 uses hexadecimal. It seems very infected
by decimal in fact.

 

[Brian Palmer]

Hmm, I don't see how Funge98 uses hexadecimal. It seems very infected
by decimal in fact.

How so? Quoting from the Funge-98 spec dealing with integers
(http://dufflebunk.iwarp.com/JSFunge/spec98.html#Integers):
:Instructions 0 "Push Zero" through 9 "Push Niner" push the values zero
:through nine onto the stack, respectively. In Funge-98, a through f
:also push 10 through 15 respectively.

That is, the integer constants are hexadecimal. (Admittedly, this is a
superset of the decimal constants, but so it goes). Other integers are
produced by arithmetic operations on these constants.

 

[Jezuch]

U¿ytkownik Thinkit napisa³:

Are they infected by decimal? Does their source code have decimal literals?

Were you born in Mesopotamia about 6000 years ago, by any chance?...

 

[Andrew Walsh]

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Are they infected by decimal? Does their source code have decimal literals?

they tried not to. But men in black suits appeared at midnight and
threatened horrible things if they didn't put decimal literals back in.